A rather depressing article from the Telegraph

#2
This is terrible journalism.

The redundancies are focussed. They've not just said "who wants to go?". They've asked for volunteers from specific ranks and trades. They'll then board volunteers, taking the weakest first. Voluntary redundancy is always oversubscribed. Because people have expressed an interest it doesn't mean they'll go.

How how exactly does the Telegraph know who will be future generals?

And if the quality does go, I may eventually get promoted.
 
#4
This is terrible journalism.

How how exactly does the Telegraph know who will be future generals?
They probably know in the same way that whenever a scrote was kicked out of the Army at the age of 18 (for drugs, theft or any other crime) they were usually destined to have had a 'great career ahead of them' and had been identified as a future RSM. Based on what you may ask - a glowing report from the first 3 weeks of CMSR during Phase 1 Trg?
 
#5
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Exactly the same as last time, all the talent will volunteer, while the shite slips through. Whats the board going to do? All those that are hiding in those jobs that no-one wants, they're not going to put themselves forward are they? If some fat **** whose been hiding behind an idle chit for the last 10 years, can keep waddling through to full pension, i think they are most likely to keep hiding. I had the unfortunate honour of serving in a Regiment about 10 years ago, whose seniors must have escaped Options for Change, cos they were all ******* *********, with the ability and man management skills of Col Gadafi. From the CO down to the Troop Sgts. Alot of very talented people got out because of them.
I can see the Board getting rid of the volunteers, as it'll be easier trying to get rid of them, than fighting the fat ****, who's going to try everything to stay in. What with everyone being experts in 'Uman rights, and the Employment Act these days
 
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For some Duty, Honour and Country are worth more than the size of what I assume to be a gob smackingly generous redundancy payout - the first £30k of which is tax free.

Some men can be easily bought and sold.
 
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For some Duty, Honour and Country are worth more than the size of what I assume to be a gob smackingly generous redundancy payout - the first £30k of which is tax free.

Some men can be easily bought and sold.
So, are you against redundancy payments altogether, or are you against the principle of asking for volunteers before imposing compulsory redundancies?
 
#11
For some Duty, Honour and Country are worth more than the size of what I assume to be a gob smackingly generous redundancy payout - the first £30k of which is tax free.

Some men can be easily bought and sold.
My rank and trade weren't offered redundancy. If they had been there'd have been a me sized hole in the fence and I'd still have had the clerk's arm in my hand as I did a runner.

Staying in a job that's had all the fun squeezed out of it or £70,000 cash? Not a difficult choice really.
 
#12
So, are you against redundancy payments altogether, or are you against the principle of asking for volunteers before imposing compulsory redundancies?
Or maybe he's just an ill-informed twat who's experience of the military is probably limited to watching his younger brother get dressed ready for ACF on a Tuesday night.
 
#13
Why does the media seem to think that Cowper Coles is some kind of FO demi-god?
Not sure on his his FO credentials, however, I do think it was a thought provoking and largely accurate article.
 
#14
I got out earlier on this year, if I had hung around and waited to apply for redundency I'd still be hanging around with no guarantee that I would get it. As it stands I'm far happier on the outside. You can't blame anyone for leaping at this oppurtunity.

Edit: That said I'm quite sure my trade is still a pinch point trade and any request will be fobbed off for redundency. :)
 
#15
For some Duty, Honour and Country are worth more than the size of what I assume to be a gob smackingly generous redundancy payout - the first £30k of which is tax free.

Some men can be easily bought and sold.
An excellent sentiment. If only more people like you were in the forces we could halve the pay, shaft the pension and you'd duteously soldier on. Are you available for cloning?

Alternatively, you wrote something fecking stupid.
 
#16
Wait, we were supposed to be paid?!
 
#17
An excellent sentiment. If only more people like you were in the forces we could halve the pay, shaft the pension and you'd duteously soldier on. Are you available for cloning?

Alternatively, you wrote something fecking stupid.
To Quote a great, great man:

"We use words like honour, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something"

Pay, who needs pay ;-)
 

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#18
My rank and trade weren't offered redundancy. If they had been there'd have been a me sized hole in the fence and I'd still have had the clerk's arm in my hand as I did a runner.

Staying in a job that's had all the fun squeezed out of it or £70,000 cash? Not a difficult choice really.
I take your point but a word of caution to those with little or no experience of the civilian world. Unless you have a workable plan for future employment, £70,000 may sound like a lot but it's nothing much in the great scheme of things if you have to live on it for an extended period. The Private Sector is a tough place to live if you've not come across it before and the Public Sector's being squeezed. I counsel strongly against anyone taking redundancy on the grounds that 'something's bound to turn up'. Regular soldiers believe a lot of myths about civilian life and the financial rewards available but it is not as easy as some think. Also, however much you think the Army's man-management and integrity standards have slipped, it's worse on the outside. If you choose this course, make sure that your planning and preparation skills are fully applied, you will need them more than ever if you're going to succeed - don't be dazzled by what seems to be a large sum of money - someone somewhere's worked out that the Government comes out ahead on the deal.
 
#19
It was mentioned on the news today, 1,000 redundancies needed, half expected to be voluntary, over 900 applied. Job done I'd have thought.

What I did find interesting was the number of senior ranks applying, 50 Colonels? What are they doing in an army which is at its' lowest strength since, I believe 1852?
 
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If they think it's bad that this many people have volunteered for redundancy, they should do a poll of all the people eligible for this round of cuts and see how many people are sat at their desks with fingers crossed hoping they'll be selected.

All the people I know that were eligible for this round are sitting tight and waiting to see what happens, though none of them seem to be upset that they might be getting the old heave ho with a nice wedge in their pocket. The consensus seems to be that it's better to get compulsory redundancy as you get all the same resettlement and benefits as if you volunteered but you get 12 month instead of 6 to sort your life out.
 

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