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A Question for the Rozzer's

#1
Years ago I had a car crash, the car rolled 3 times and ended up on it's roof. I tried to kick out the windscreen but couldn't. Then I could smell and saw that the car was on fire, which was a bit of a bastard to be frank. I don't know how I got the seatbelt off but I did and was out the passengers window faster than a rat out of a Viaduct. The Car was a Triumph Vitesse.

I now have this "rescue tool" taped to the car visor. The next crash I have I'll cut the seatbelt and smash the windscreen with the pointy bit.

The blade is 3.5 inches long, it is a lock knife and has a flat where the stabby, sharp blade bit would be. The pointy bit is for doing in any windows.

Is this legal to leave in my car ? (out of sight)

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#3
I think that if the 'blade' or lack of it in this case is under three inches long, then you'll be okay. I think anything over three inches counts as a dangerous and offensive weapon.
 
#4
ISTR that a sharp folding thing with a blade of less than 3" is allowed, unless it's a lock/flick/gravity knife.

Supermarkets have plastic disposable tools for cutting strap banding, in which the blade faces and is at an acute angle to a bit of plastic, similar to a penknife that's open a tiny bit. It stops the shelf stackers cutting themselves. The other advantage being that it doesn't need to be opened. I'm sure there's a UK-legal version of this tool available for your application.
 
#5
Rigght, Im no rozzer but - you can carry a blade more than 3 inches blah blah blah IF you have a good reason to do so.

In this case, the blade is in your car, is clearly not offensive in nature and is clearly being carried for a good and sensible reason. If you leave it in the glove box or similar, there is no chance even an overzealous plod could get a case against you to court.
 

TheIronDuke

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#6
That horrible crash in fog / smoke near Bath before Christmas? People shunted front, back and sides then burned. I said to the Missus "I'd hoof the windscreen out". To which she replied "With a broken pelvis?" So I thought about that. Then bought this AA Approved job for a fiver (Amazon or Halfords - around a fiver).

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#14
If, on theother hand, you drive pissed and, upon being asked to blow in the bag, produce the item in question along with the phrase "I'll cut you, pig", expect a prosecution to follow.
 
#15
Rigght, Im no rozzer but - you can carry a blade more than 3 inches blah blah blah IF you have a good reason to do so.

In this case, the blade is in your car, is clearly not offensive in nature and is clearly being carried for a good and sensible reason. If you leave it in the glove box or similar, there is no chance even an overzealous plod could get a case against you to court.
I doubt a good and sensible reason would be "in case I crashed and needed to cut my seat belt in the OP case, what TheIronDuke's picture shows might get away with it.
 
#16
It would be classed as 'Carrying a Concealed' weapon......
Correct.

It's not actually against the law to be trapped in a burning car, but it is illegal to carry such an instrument in your car. The fact that it is within easy reach of the driving seat is an aggravating factor. You would only have 'good reason' if you were actually trapped in a burning car at the time you were found in possession of it.

I am not joking.
 
Z

Zarathustra

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#17
I doubt a good and sensible reason would be "in case I crashed and needed to cut my seat belt in the OP case, what TheIronDuke's picture shows might get away with it.
I should hope TheIronDukes thing is legal, a similar thing has been been fitted in the back of all our FFRs for a while now.
 
#19
PF, Grounds for an arrest by an overzealous plod maybe but good luck bringing that to court (and securing a conviction).

Its a bit like saying that I cant have kitchen knives in my kitchen unless I am actually cooking at the time. Or an axe in my garden shed unless I happen to be chopping down trees. Or a claw hammer and black nasty in my transit van unless I am abducting teenage girls at the time.
 
#20
I should hope TheIronDukes thing is legal, a similar thing has been been fitted in the back of all our FFRs for a while now.
It would depend what sort of mood the copper was in. He may decide that you have it to hit people on the noggin with.

On one of those 'aren't coppers wonderful?' TV shows I saw them go through someone's boot*, find and confiscate a Leatherman despite knowing that the bloke was a workman, and threaten to arrest him for calling them *******. Then the ****** in charge gave a little speech to camera about how important it was to get dangerous weapons out of the hands of street criminals.

* the boot of his car, that is.
 

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