A Possible new RAC

#1
Tried to copy n paste this from Current affairs, convo about Gen Dannatts new 'idea' Thought it may be more interesting here, rather than Current Affairs, but could this be a possibility???

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The new brigades will consist of a battalion of Challenger 2 tanks, one of armoured reconnaissance, an armoured infantry battalion in Warriors, a mechanised infantry battalion in Bulldog armoured vehicles and two "light role" infantry battalions.

These units would be deployed on operations for six months in every three years.


whitecity wrote...

Somebody has already noted the shoddy reporting from the Telegraph, but failed to notice that if there is to be 6 brigades each with a CR2 AND and FR battalion/regiment, there are three implications in this:
1) No 16AA.
2) Reform of a 6th CR2 battalion/regiment from the current 5.
3) Creation of a 6th FR battalion/regiment from the current 5.

RAC seems to do quite well out of this.

Scarletto wrote...
Not sure thats the case really, Might the reforming, come from more of a downsizing of Regimental size, rather than a lot of new tanks and money.

Loose a couple of troops from each Regiment to form the new ones?

whitecity wrote
Absolutely!

Ignoring 1RTR and their mixed role, the 10 RAC units have at least 5 different configurations:
1) 2 off 4 x CR2 sqn
2) 3 off 3 x CR2 sqn + 1 x MA (CVR(T)) sqn
3) 2 off 4 x FR (CVR(T))
4) 1 off 3 x FR (CVR(T)) + 1 x C&S
5) 2 off 2 x FR (CVR(T)) + 1 x C&S
A real mix and match organisation.

Downsize the 'square' to a 'triangle' formation, and hey presto! 6 or 7 squadrons suddenly 'created' to form a couple of more battalion/regiments. But what fun trying to carve up the 'Regiments' into smaller 'regiment-lite'.
 
#4
like yeomanry units?

or the creation of deployable brigades under 1 guise - 1 uk bde, 2 uk bde etc?
 
#7
06FA56Paderborn said:
benjaminw1

Don't be ridiculous just reform an enlarged 3 RTR, there are enough of us about ot get it up an running by a late Naafi break.
Bit longer - finding a goonery king to beat Ackers is going to be a tall order.
 

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#8
Trackpen said:
06FA56Paderborn said:
benjaminw1

Don't be ridiculous just reform an enlarged 3 RTR, there are enough of us about ot get it up an running by a late Naafi break.
Bit longer - finding a goonery king to beat Ackers is going to be a tall order.
And find the bloody tanks to work with. Not enough to go around now. Mind you I do seem to remember some ball aching TEWT long time ago when a certain numpty made us move around in 4's.
 
#11
Well as we have all had a go before lets draw lots. --------------------------- When one more comes along I vote that PE buggers off in a ferret and finds a decent pub for the night.
 
#12
06FA56Paderborn said:
See we have got one crew together already, not sure who is going to the crew commander.
As your not good with hieghts I suggest you get to cabby.
 
#13
Apparently, staffing has been ongoing for some time to de-unionise HCR. LG and RHG/D expected to form two FR Regts, with locations in Windsor and possibly Colchester.
 
#16
elovabloke said:
Well as we have all had a go before lets draw lots. --------------------------- When one more comes along I vote that PE buggers off in a ferret and finds a decent pub for the night.
Optimum use of my recce skills I feel.(1)

(1) As long as it's a Mk1 natch, less climbing.(2)

(2) An important H&S aspect to modern life, I'm led to believe...
 
#17
I would have suggested along the lines of the old battlegroups, where one or two squadrons worked alongside the same guys/corps all the time.

On a side note Soprano will be frothing now he is a Biggles. :lol:
 
#18
scarletto said:
Tried to copy n paste this from Current affairs, convo about Gen Dannatts new 'idea' Thought it may be more interesting here, rather than Current Affairs, but could this be a possibility???

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Quote:
The new brigades will consist of a battalion of Challenger 2 tanks, one of armoured reconnaissance, an armoured infantry battalion in Warriors, a mechanised infantry battalion in Bulldog armoured vehicles and two "light role" infantry battalions.

These units would be deployed on operations for six months in every three years.


whitecity wrote...

Somebody has already noted the shoddy reporting from the Telegraph, but failed to notice that if there is to be 6 brigades each with a CR2 AND and FR battalion/regiment, there are three implications in this:
1) No 16AA.
2) Reform of a 6th CR2 battalion/regiment from the current 5.
3) Creation of a 6th FR battalion/regiment from the current 5.

RAC seems to do quite well out of this.

Scarletto wrote...
Not sure thats the case really, Might the reforming, come from more of a downsizing of Regimental size, rather than a lot of new tanks and money.

Loose a couple of troops from each Regiment to form the new ones?

whitecity wrote
Absolutely!

Ignoring 1RTR and their mixed role, the 10 RAC units have at least 5 different configurations:
1) 2 off 4 x CR2 sqn
2) 3 off 3 x CR2 sqn + 1 x MA (CVR(T)) sqn
3) 2 off 4 x FR (CVR(T))
4) 1 off 3 x FR (CVR(T)) + 1 x C&S
5) 2 off 2 x FR (CVR(T)) + 1 x C&S
A real mix and match organisation.

Downsize the 'square' to a 'triangle' formation, and hey presto! 6 or 7 squadrons suddenly 'created' to form a couple of more battalion/regiments. But what fun trying to carve up the 'Regiments' into smaller 'regiment-lite'.
Ref Whitecity's comments about a need for a 6th CR2 Regt, IMHO there is no requirement as 11 & 19 Light Bde won't need them cos they're Light! :roll: However I can see the need for a 6th FR Regt - easy give it to 1RTR and let the Yeomanary do the CBRN Recce role! :D

scarletto said:
I would have suggested along the lines of the old battlegroups, where one or two squadrons worked alongside the same guys/corps all the time.

On a side note Soprano will be frothing now he is a Biggles. :lol:
:wink:
 
#19
I think this may be the end of the regimental system as it appears that the brigade will become the primary unit
 
#20
Short answer to this one. This all relates to the concept of a fixed number of homogenous Bdes (so no specifically Armd/Mech/Lt Bdes), 16AA and 3Cdo Bdes remain unchanged. Each of these homogenous Bdes (can't remember the exact numbers) would have the same mix of Armd and FR Regts and AI, Mech and Lt Bns.

The Armd Regts would (as I recall) each have 2x Armd and 2x MA Sqns (but with the ability to re-role between MA and Armd at fairly short notice to meet specific operational requirement).

The long and short of it is that the whole plan requires what amounts to an additional RAC Regt and FRES-MA to work properly (i.e. don't hold your breath!) If it does happen and I were a betting man, I would put my money 1RTR being re-roled and giving up the JtCBRN piece (to who, I wouldn't like to guess) and becoming that additional Regt.
 

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