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A new Universal Carrier

Yes, but no, but.

They went wheeled in Ratels with conscripts against the Angolans in a vast area of bush on/over the border where the population and habitation was not very congested.

Look at Charlie Squadron's operations as part of 61 Mech on the River Lomba in late 1987.

They were up against a peer minus armored bde, the 90mm gunnery required to get repeated kits for a kill sounds impressive

E2A: the SA paras did an assualt in to Angola in 1978 called the Battle of Cassinga - there have been some saffers on year a while back talking about that

Plenty of other vehicles also used. Patrol in Buffels, cops used Casspir, supply and recovery in Kwevoel, SAMIL and so on. 44 Pathfinder also used cut down Land Cruisers as technicals and fast patrol vehicles.
 
Mobility was key. Protection really was minimal. People talk about profile; ever seen a Universal Carrier fitted with a canvas tilt (such a thing did exist)? It was quite tall.

There are some good points being made about cheap and cheerful, especially Toyotas, for example. Remember that Blitzkrieg was achieved with often inferior equipment. Panzer II versus a Matilda? No, thanks. The key was manoeuvre.

But, again, my ambition with the thread was to discuss a light, universal solution for portage, not war-fighting.
Then a Land Rover, or a succeeding softskin? Cheap. Light. Mobile. Done.
 
Whatever happened to the Hippo-X that was raved about at DSEI2017?
DSEI 2017: Introducing HIPPO-X Light Tactical Mobility Platform | DSEI 2017 News Online Show Daily Coverage Report U | Defence security military exhibition 2017 daily news category
Basically a yank version of an argocat
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E2A: actually, why aren't Argocats being bought/considered?
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Avenger 800 i | Argo Vehicles Ltd
you can even fit them with track
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http://argovehicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/2019-Argo-Brochure.pdf
 
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All joking aside, there was a very prescient paper in 2006ish that warned of the rise of semi industrialised manoeuvre warfare based on Toyota technicals.

Oh how the Generals laughed!

They stopped laughing when fleets of technicals overran huge swathes of North Africa and the Middle East, even in the face of proper armies with heavy armour.
Though the generals may have stopped laughing, they then didn't really act on it, not in the way that Think Defence's light strike Brigade suggested they could

The Light Strike Brigade - Think Defence

A slightly tongue in cheek series of tweets about Syrian regime not picking up this trend either.
 
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Have you a link or some specific search terms?

Have put the link in the post.

Its an interesting conundrum - does the west go for JLTV with RWS like these:
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in an effort to counter or align with nutters who have pick up trucks, welding torches and lots of sovbloc kit, as well as the sheer intellectual curiosity to do this:
 
RB -44.

AKA Truck No Utility Heavy stuck in wet grass.


FOC

If you hear anyone claiming any form of meaningful off road capability for the RB44, they are either a bullshitter or in procurement/on the staff
 
Have put the link in the post.

Its an interesting conundrum - does the west go for JLTV with RWS like these:
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in an effort to counter or align with nutters who have pick up trucks, welding torches and lots of sovbloc kit, as well as the sheer intellectual curiosity to do this:
No denying it's going to have an interesting effect at the receiving-end.

Inventive chaps. Very inventive.
 

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FOC

If you hear anyone claiming any form of meaningful off road capability for the RB44, they are either a bullshitter or in procurement/on the staff

If you hear anyone claiming any form of meaningful ON road capability for the RB44, same rule applies. Which is a pity, as the Dodge/Renault 50 on which it's based is a sound vehicle, with many still on the go today.
 
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TamH70

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RB -44.

AKA Truck Utility Heavy.


I saw a whole compound full of them parked up in Redford Cavalry Barracks with BFO "don't drive this horrid thing" stickers plastered over their windscreens. Was funny.
 
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