A Measured Response

#1
I put forward on the Gurkha thread the suggestion that we try to get all attendees, at the 2009 Remembrance Sunday at the Cenotaph, to about face and turn their back on the Prime Minister (or his representative if he is absent) as he goes to lay his wreath.
The advantage of doing this will be that the press and TV will be present to record this very dignified protest and should ensure maximum coverage and show how we all feel about this Government's decision to refuse justice to our brother soldiers in the Gurkhas once again.
My personal opinion is that those who died in conflict and whom we are there to honour would agree with our actions were they able to say so. I feel that we honour their memory best by ensuring that this scurrilous breech of faith is protested in a manner which befits the quiet dignity and honour that each and every Gurkha soldier has brought to his service in the British Army.

Please feel free to add your own thoughts and comments.

Thank you
 
#3
Rememberance Sunday is for just that.
Gordon Brown is a complete and utter cnut but not even he should be allowed to have any effect on that.

If you decide to shoot the b@stard then you have my complete and unreserved support, hell I'd even help carry your gear and buy you bbeer afterwards.
But Rememberance Sunday should have nothing do to with politics and the scum who are politicians.
 
#4
While I agree...... are we not turning our back on the honoured dead.....this should transcend politics......but I agree something should be done.....personally a silent vigil by every war memorial 24/7 would be an interesting concept (I am of to a sandy place so will not be able to do so for six months)...just my two penny worth...
 
#6
I agree that politics shouldn't come into it but I am also aware that thousands of those we are honouring are Gurkhas. To have Brown laying a wreath in their memory after betraying them and deliberately flouting the law to do it is an insult to the very dead we are there to honour. By not protesting his presence then, I believe, we fail the very dead we are there to honour and we disrespect what they laid their lives down for.
 
#7
You were also told on that thread, the idea is bonk in Spades, so I'm unsure why you open another thread I'm going to heave into the Arrsehole, because that is all it deserves.

It's a crap idea and totally disrespectful to our fallen.

A move such as this, in this the most sacred of memorials to our fallen, is unacceptable and beyond the Pale. I know exactly how the pro-Government media , and indeed outraged Veterans will react.

The very people you think you are helping, would be totally appalled by this.
 
#8
A bone idea and we should, rightly be above politics when it comes to remembering the fallen.

At another venue it may have legs, but not on 11/11.
 
#12
PartTimePongo said:
You were also told on that thread, the idea is bonk in Spades, so I'm unsure why you open another thread I'm going to heave into the Arrsehole, because that is all it deserves.

It's a crap idea and totally disrespectful to our fallen.

A move such as this, in this the most sacred of memorials to our fallen, is unacceptable and beyond the Pale. I know exactly how the pro-Government media , and indeed outraged Veterans will react.

The very people you think you are helping, would be totally appalled by this.
Let's deal in facts shall we?

This is a suggestion to see how people feel, why put on here? Well there were a lot in favour on the Gurkha thread with notably CQMS and Spike against. I put it here so a clearer picture could be found.
I personally feel that allowing Brown to lay a wreath to the 45,000 Gurkha dead, included in the fallen, is unacceptable and beyond the pale.
It was a suggestion, I was interested to know how people felt. I am quite happy that people are against it, I thought it a good idea, I weighed up the angles and I, myself believe that such an action would not be disrespectful, if the majority do feel it would be disrespectful then I am quite happy to accept that majority decision.
No big deal PTP, put it in the ARRSEHOLE if free speech offends you that much, if offence has been caused then my apologies, none was meant.
 
#13
Dandy_Highwayman said:
spike7451 said:
the_boy_syrup said:
Dandy_Highwayman said:
Personally I don't think turning backs during wreath laying at the Cenotaph is the way forward, but I agree that it is a powerful message against Cyclops and co and understand the sentiment.

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Why not put the Gurkhas at the head of the march past and when they set off leave a slight delay and then start applauding them
They could then fall in nearby where marchers could execute a smart eyes right as a mark of respect

That'll get the one eyed scottish idiots attention
Like it.
Seconded - much more like it and much subtler - Cyclops could claim a victory against disrespecting the War Dead by turning backs. Not that I'm any authority here of course! Good thinking!
As referred to on the Gurkha thread mate, I feel you'd be playing into Cyclops's hands - lets take the moral highground and use an alternative.
 
#14
Dandy_Highwayman said:
Dandy_Highwayman said:
spike7451 said:
the_boy_syrup said:
Dandy_Highwayman said:
Personally I don't think turning backs during wreath laying at the Cenotaph is the way forward, but I agree that it is a powerful message against Cyclops and co and understand the sentiment.

...
Why not put the Gurkhas at the head of the march past and when they set off leave a slight delay and then start applauding them
They could then fall in nearby where marchers could execute a smart eyes right as a mark of respect

That'll get the one eyed scottish idiots attention
Like it.
Seconded - much more like it and much subtler - Cyclops could claim a victory against disrespecting the War Dead by turning backs. Not that I'm any authority here of course! Good thinking!
As referred to on the Gurkha thread mate, I feel you'd be playing into Cyclops's hands - lets take the moral highground and use an alternative.
However,a lot can happen in 8 month's,we should concentrate on spreading the word as far as we can & assisting JL,Howe & Co & Johnny Gurkha in any way we can in order to make them realise their error.
 
#15
OK, here's a (hopefully) less contentious suggestion.

There are plenty of media types on here, what about making a video of say Keiren's words as posted today against a backdrop of Gurkhas in action with a backing track of the white cliffs or some such song. It could either be posted on U Tube or, better still, made as a commercial download so that it could possibly be in the download charts. Getting in the charts would bring enormous publicity and hopefully raise a lot of money for the fighting fund.
I'm sure Dame Vera would let her soundtrack be used and there must be plenty of library pictures of the Gurkhas in action without having to go to the MoD.

I have my flak jacket on and am standing by.
 
#16
I think a positively handled march/parade/protest would generate all the media interest and public opinion required.

Not shooting down your suggestion, but if the 'tune'/song wasn't right in your idea, it'd flop big style. Only something like the superb squaddie version of 'Amarillo' would work for the broadest appeal, but I feel this style wouldn't fit the Gurkhas aims. Maybe something set to 'Adagio for Strings' (or similar) would work with what you suggest, but it'd have to be spot on. Well thats my view for what its worth.
 
#17
Dandy_Highwayman said:
I think a positively handled march/parade/protest would generate all the media interest and public opinion required.

Not shooting down your suggestion, but if the 'tune'/song wasn't right in your idea, it'd flop big style. Only something like the superb squaddie version of 'Amarillo' would work for the broadest appeal, but I feel this style wouldn't fit the Gurkhas aims. Maybe something set to 'Adagio for Strings' (or similar) would work with what you suggest, but it'd have to be spot on. Well thats my view for what its worth.
I agree with you, I'm not a meeja person so I would assume that it would have to be taken up by an ARRSER who knows his music. Perhaps James Blunt is on here and could help out.
 
#18
Markintime said:
PartTimePongo said:
You were also told on that thread, the idea is bonk in Spades, so I'm unsure why you open another thread I'm going to heave into the Arrsehole, because that is all it deserves.

It's a crap idea and totally disrespectful to our fallen.

A move such as this, in this the most sacred of memorials to our fallen, is unacceptable and beyond the Pale. I know exactly how the pro-Government media , and indeed outraged Veterans will react.

The very people you think you are helping, would be totally appalled by this.
Let's deal in facts shall we?

This is a suggestion to see how people feel, why put on here? Well there were a lot in favour on the Gurkha thread with notably CQMS and Spike against. I put it here so a clearer picture could be found.
I personally feel that allowing Brown to lay a wreath to the 45,000 Gurkha dead, included in the fallen, is unacceptable and beyond the pale.
It was a suggestion, I was interested to know how people felt. I am quite happy that people are against it, I thought it a good idea, I weighed up the angles and I, myself believe that such an action would not be disrespectful, if the majority do feel it would be disrespectful then I am quite happy to accept that majority decision.
No big deal PTP, put it in the ARRSEHOLE if free speech offends you that much, if offence has been caused then my apologies, none was meant.
Let's deal with facts then.

It's a sh*t idea.

I've just put it to the Regular and TA Bods I'm currently in the bar with, and they think it's a sh*t idea too.

I think Gurkha Justice might have something short and spiky to say about it too , and unlike Pun VC , it's their ball this time, and we should be following their tracer.
 
#19
Markintime said:
OK, here's a (hopefully) less contentious suggestion.

There are plenty of media types on here, what about making a video of say Keiren's words as posted today against a backdrop of Gurkhas in action with a backing track of the white cliffs or some such song. It could either be posted on U Tube or, better still, made as a commercial download so that it could possibly be in the download charts. Getting in the charts would bring enormous publicity and hopefully raise a lot of money for the fighting fund.
I'm sure Dame Vera would let her soundtrack be used and there must be plenty of library pictures of the Gurkhas in action without having to go to the MoD.

I have my flak jacket on and am standing by.
That sounds like a good idea to me, Markintime. Maybe we could get an ARRSEr conversant with vids to make it. Suitsy would be a good choice in my opinion. He did a marvellous job of making a vid honouring the lads a couple of years ago, and the music was spot on. Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6XpB6ZAAm8

Perhaps it could be part of a range of measures to draw attention to the subject.

MsG
 

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