A little advice, if you will

Discussion in 'Officers' started by choff, Sep 19, 2007.

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  1. I am a serving Captain the R Signals and thinking of cashing in my chips and making my way in the world outside the wire fence. I commissioned from the ranks and have little by way of formal academic qualifications yet struggle to believe my time served will count for very little on paper.

    Does anybody have details of any qualifications (civilian ones) that are gained from having passed through Sandhurst, attended the relevant YO's Cse etc. I have also heard rumours that there are qualifications you can apply for in the aftermath of the factory, anybody able to confirm or deny this?

    I am in the process of delving into matter myself but thought I may quicken the process by asking here.

    Thanks in advance
  2. you can apply for a diploma in HR from bournemouth uni, it involves very little work (2 extended essays and 1 study weekend)....it acknowledges RMAS trg as learning credits....

    a DIN exsists, but i do't have the link
  3. Great, thanks.

    Anyone else know of anything similiar?
  4. The big question is what do you want to do in civvy street, rather than what qualifications can you get by doing sod all!

    CIPD qualifications are easy to get, but may not be of much use to youunless you go into HR, Training or general management.

    Look at the Open University courses and see if there are any you can do before you leave that you can apply to jobs in Civvy street.
  5. Although you may have relatively little by way of formal qualifications, the further away from school you get in life, GCSEs etc count for progressively less and relevant skills and experience count for progressively more.

    Your military service will have given you "transferable skills" which should be of interest to numerous potential employers:

    HR, man management
    As a scaleyback, technical and possibly IT skills
    Budget management, "responsibility for a budget of £..." "responsibility for equipment worth £..."
    Ability to work under budgetary and time constarints while delivering consistently high achievements
    etc etc

    You will, however need to translate military speak into civvy/HR speak - thus NCOs cadre becomes something else like leadership and man management course and so on.

    There are resettlement courses that will help with stuff like CV writing that will give you lots of good stuff in this regard.
  6. You can book yourself a 'Personal Development' interview at any stage, and most IEROs are quite used to them being 'look before you leap' sessions. The content isn't passed on, although some details are usually taken for stats and possible follow up by the AEC.

    If that isn't convenient for whatever reason, PM me with a bit more info, and I'll see if I can point you in any useful directions.

    Otherwise, I agree whole-heartedly with Romach's first comment. 'What' is important, or alternatively location.
  7. http://www.thelistuk.com/

    This may help. I know they run groups in some areas where you can turn up and have a chat with employers and other people in the same boat as you. It may give you some direction
  8. You can get immediate membership of the Institute of Management for next to bugger all (while still serving). Also the Institute of Directors attaches value to holding a Commission. Both are easily found on the web, and it is reasonably easy to progress within their ranks.

    As for formal qualifications and lack of being problematic in civvie strasse, I am of two minds (being a stinking non-grad pondlife myself). Any employer with a brain cell will know that the majority of degrees today are worthless (outside of 'professional' degrees within a limited sphere e.g. law if becoming a lawyer, chemistry if becoming a chemical scientist, etc). If you can demonstrate that you are able to learn theory and put theory into practice, while at the same time being able to present a coherent and structured argument/discussion in writing then you are already ahead of the vast majority of graduates produced in the last 8-10 years.

    A degree is important for certain jobs, and also for certain job search approaches. If you have no degree then don't bother sending off a generic CV to millions of large companies' HR departments saying "gizza job": the faceless muppets in these organisations are drones only capable of following flow charts and ticking boxes. As an Army Officer you confuse them and don't fit their computer system, thus you are binned without interview.

    The best way for ex-Army officers to obtain jobs is by networking and utilising existing contacts. If possible attend functions (IoD dinners, Liquid List meetings, etc). There are also one or two headhunters who specialise in placing Captains and above (I no longer have the details, but someone on this site must be up-to-date).

    Whether you decide to stay in or leap into the unknown I wish you good luck.

  9. There are lots of opportunities in the construction industry if that floats your boat. There are many ex-service personnel (both from the ranks and commissioned) in the surveying and project management positions. The majority of construction projects require close integration of team members and the inter-personal skills gained in the armed forces would stand you in good stead.

    Plenty of opportunities to undertake formal professional qualifications in your spare time as well.

    Worth a thought...
  10. Dread makes some very good points.

    In my experience, 'Capt - R Signals' is worth far more than a 2 bit qualification. Unless you actually want a specific job that requires a specific qualification, don't worry about it, Army Officer trumps.

    Dreads right that you wont fit the mould that HR recruitment mongs are looking for so you do need to be a little creative about how you apply, getting in front of people is the best way and liquid list is a good place to start.
  11. Try talking to the "Individual Education and Resettlement Officer" at you nearest AEC (clue-the job title is a bit of a hint as to what he does)