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A good reason for new Police Commissioners?

#4
Has anybody got one? I thought I was alone in getting a sort of sick, sinking feeling at the thought of yet another 'elected' jobsworth slotting into the picture with salary, full expenses and probably a party political agenda. But ex Met boss Sir Ian Blair has come out and said people shouldn't vote in protest.

Chris Grayling: Sir Ian Blair 'silly' to call for police commissioner election boycott - Telegraph

I will be boycotting the vote as I am 300 mile from my home town on polling day.
 
#6
Has anybody got one? I thought I was alone in getting a sort of sick, sinking feeling at the thought of yet another 'elected' jobsworth slotting into the picture with salary, full expenses and probably a party political agenda. But ex Met boss Sir Ian Blair has come out and said people shouldn't vote in protest.

Chris Grayling: Sir Ian Blair 'silly' to call for police commissioner election boycott - Telegraph
Probably? I believe it's a given that it will.

Watch the increase in bugets for public-friendly anti-social and burglary crime stuff, but you won't see the decrease in departments investigating non-public facing criminality. If the public can't see it, they won't acknowledge it when the vote time comes around again.

How much power will these commissioners have? Will they have the ability to say whether crimes go to the CPS or not? Will we see a rise in high-powered types not being charged as it's 'not in the public's interest'?
 
#7
I shan't be voting - the failure to provide assistance, mailshots etc has rigged the vote so that only the big parties stand a chance. As it's them that have fucked up the situation in the first place....
 
#8
Another happy hunting ground for rewarding the party faithful.
Isn't MiLord Prescott standing for one?
Will there be any independent candidates, or has it already been sewn up by the major parties?
What's the going rate, £80,000 or thereabouts, for another tier of failed ex politicos, who are too stupid to get onto the EU gravy train.

And the powers that be wonder at voter apathy?
Ban ANY professional politico, or party member (anyone who has EVER been in a political party) from standing. Then maybe we'll see something other than the usual suspects crawl out of the wood work.
 

TheIronDuke

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#10
How much power will these commissioners have? Will they have the ability to say whether crimes go to the CPS or not? Will we see a rise in high-powered types not being charged as it's 'not in the public's interest'?
In part, that's my problem. Nobody I have spoken to has a scoobie about how the job will work, what are their powers and above all, how they will improve policing. Our Chief Constable Sue Simms seems to be doing a canny job without CivPop interference.
 
#11
The trouble I can see with PCC is that they are only going to get elected on local issues that effect local people on a daily basis. Such as speeding, ASB, late night drinking licences and the like, these are fine and do need to be dealt with.

No one is going to get elected on the issues of terrorism, corporate fraud and organised crime groups, these things generally do not affect people on a day to day basis.

The majority of the candidates will be driven by a Political Agenda because of their funding and affiliations further politicising the Criminal Justice System, whether you welcome this or not I do not know.

Give them a chance and see how it goes.

As a matter of interest The Police Authorities are all elected as well.
 
B

Biscuits_AB

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#12
Has anybody got one? I thought I was alone in getting a sort of sick, sinking feeling at the thought of yet another 'elected' jobsworth slotting into the picture with salary, full expenses and probably a party political agenda. But ex Met boss Sir Ian Blair has come out and said people shouldn't vote in protest.

Chris Grayling: Sir Ian Blair 'silly' to call for police commissioner election boycott - Telegraph
You just have to examine Blair's past to see why he doesn't like the idea. Both you and I live not far (possibly even in the same region) to Forces which have been headed by corrupt Chief Constables and other senior officers. The Police Authorities in those same areas have been involved or at least complacent in some of those activities. We are now at a point where we do not know who to trust. I certainly wouldn't be trusting Blair. The worst thing about this Police & Crime Commissioner malarky is that they have made it difficult for independents to stand and many of the candidates will be from political backgrounds. They won't be reeasing the names of the candidates until 25 Oct. The good things to come from this is that the elected individual won't have any say on how your county is policed, but they will have the power to control expenditure and to sack the Chief Constable if he or she is not performing. People like Blair can complain all they like, but if it wasn't for bent coppers and police authorities, we wouldn't be needing a Police and Crime Commissioner. Somebody, somewhere had to do something about the state of police management in some areas as the police were unwilling to do it themselves. Why should the tax payer keep footing the bill for people who plainly lack integrity and are committing more serious criminal offences than those that they are paid to police. I can only speak for where I live and the surrounding areas, but one corrupt Chief Officer is too much in my books. On saying that though, I'm not even in aposition to tell you whether I will vote or not, as I haven't seen the names of the candidates, which I'm sure will include some unsavoury former councillors looking for a better paid job.
 
#13
Another happy hunting ground for rewarding the party faithful.
Isn't MiLord Prescott standing for one?
Will there be any independent candidates, or has it already been sewn up by the major parties?
What's the going rate, £80,000 or thereabouts, for another tier of failed ex politicos, who are too stupid to get onto the EU gravy train.

And the powers that be wonder at voter apathy?
Ban ANY professional politico, or party member (anyone who has EVER been in a political party) from standing. Then maybe we'll see something other than the usual suspects crawl out of the wood work.
I think Khan Juna sums it all up very nicely as he withdraws in the race for the Thames Valley PC

Khan Juna said:
The former chairman of the Thames
Valley Police Authority has pulled out of the police and crime commissioner
elections.

Amongst his reasons, independent Thames Valley candidate Khan Juna blamed the
£5,000 deposit required for him to stand.

He also said it was difficult to raise such costs without "substantial
personal wealth or rich friends"

He said: "Without a party political 'machine' with a network of MPs, councillors
(at county, district, town and parish level) and party loyalists practiced in
campaigning, the 2,200 square miles of Thames Valley presents an impossible
challenge.".
BBC News - Khan Juna out of Thames Valley police commissioner election
 
#15
I know that some candidates have put themselves forward for Manchester, but to date, we've not received a single piece of info regarding policy so haven't a clue what any candidates stance is.

It's all a load of bollocks any ways, haven't we got enough on our plates in the UK without farting around with this, it feels like a case of fiddling whilst Rome burns to be frank (where's that windsurfer).
 
#16
The polling cards for the Mrs and i arrived the other day. I googled the two candidiates standing in my area. One a Tory councillor who according to his profile was once in the merchant navy and is now involved with his family business, whatever that may be, and one Labour who has not even posted a photo or an introductory statement.
Underwhelming.

The whole thing looks like it is shaping up to be another excercise in bureaucracy dominated by the two main parties of political lightweights and party clones. There is absolutely nothing i have yet seen which is remotely likely to persuade me to bother voting for this.
 
#17
I live in East Kent and just had my polling card.

Not mailshots/door knocking or info about any candidates so I went on line and found 6 in total

THey all seem a bit wet and, suprisingly, none inspire me


"Ann Barnes has chaired the Kent Police Authority for the past six years and is now bidding to become the person who replaces it.

The East Kent magistrate has also been deputy chairwoman of the National Association of Police Authorities and advised the home secretary on the appointment of senior officers.

She intends to resist further funding cuts; ensure victims of crime are kept better informed of the progress of investigations, create local police boards to give the public more of a say and appoint a young person to the role of youth commissioner for the county".



"Craig Mackinlay is a chartered accountant and tax adviser from Chatham.

The Conservative councillor has served on the Medway unitary authority for five years and is also a trustee of four Kent charities.

He is a member of the current Kent Police Authority and is a magistrate on the North Kent bench.

He is pledging zero tolerance of drugs and anti-social behaviour, targeting dealers and providing help for addicts, and says he can safeguard police numbers, releasing more on to the streets through better budgeting and reducing bureaucracy."

DAI LIYANAGE

"Former Medway mayor and Kent Police Authority member, Dai Liyanage MBE,
He is looking to improve liaison with schools and parents to target vandalism, to release more beat officers by transferring some duties to civilians and wants to attract better recruits by making shift patterns more attractive.

He also wants to improve liaison and communication with other emergency services and with ethnic communities".


Steve Uncles, a health manager.

"Mr Uncles, from Dartford, favours a return to "common sense" policing, with no "politically correct" prioritising.

Mr Uncles wants crime victims who may have committed crimes in defence of their property to be given the benefit of the doubt where appropriate and is pledging zero tolerance of drugs and persistent pursuit of organised or career criminals, together with less focus on motoring offences."


Criminal barrister Piers Wauchope is currently a councillor in Tunbridge Wells.

"He was previously a councillor in the London Borough of Camden and believes his experience of dealing with 12 different police forces makes him the "best qualified" of all candidates.

Mr Wauchope said police need to spend more time "preventing and investigating real crimes".

He believes this should be coupled with an "effective plan" to stop reoffending among young people"



"Ashford councillor Harriet Yeo.

She is leader of the Labour group in Ashford, president of the Transport Salaried Staffs' Association (TSSA), and vice-chairwoman of Labour's National Executive Committee.

Her pledges include focusing on robbery, serious sexual offences and drugs.

She is also determined to ensure support for crime victims and to visit key areas of her patch at least twice a year"

Based on what mine offer, it's downhill from here onwards!
 
#18
The trouble with not voting is that when you don't like the result, it is difficult to complain about it.
If hardly anyone votes, one can point out that the result lacks legitimacy. I wasn't asked if I wanted these changes, so why should I vote between several equally unappetising party-hack alternatives? It's like a choice between eating shit and sick.
 
#19
I'd be more open to the idea if any of the candidates knew what they were talking about. One of the independent candidates for my county has said he wants to remove the force's current speed gun, well that's an operational matter isn't it? So obviously he hasn't read the brief very well.

The two party candidates are equally as badly informed, just reading their 'manifestos' showed to me that they have no idea, one of them even said he wanted to bring in some new measures with the special constabulary. If he'd read the website he would have seen that the same measures he wants to bring in were already done, a year ago.

The other party candidate is very much of the gravy train variety, union background and has faithfully towed the party line all their career. Can't see that one lighting the world on fire.

What really annoys me is that for the £80k they're going to pay these inexperienced idiots you could have another 3 officers for that. So much for cuts!
 
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fozzy

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#20
This whole thing stinks of cosy political stitch up (tax payer funded gravy train supplied). The candidates for my local commissioner are the usual suspects of political placemen, swivel eyed loons and eccentric single issue idiots. Loads of guff about hate crime and inclusiveness, nothing about rural policing and how to balance the books

For the first time in my life I may just spoil the ballot paper.
 

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