A Daft Question

Discussion in 'Join the Army - Regular Officer Recruiting' started by Your_Mums_Pal, Aug 31, 2010.

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  2. If you did decide to apply as an officer entrant, may I pointedly but politely suggest that you might want to show a wee bit more application than you seem to have to date. Oh and I'd start upping the phys too.
  3. Cuddles - new avatar...where's the friendly dog gone?

    Your Mums pal - the "is going in as an officer a stupid thing to do?" question has oft been asked (hence the search functions replies), but in short - be all you can be.

    If your friends/family/others say that Officers are all useless Ruperts, then they may not be feeding you the best advice. The careers NCO (Barry) who suggested you go as officer was directing you according to your qualifications. Join as asoldier and you might feel you are not fulfilling your potential. Equally, you may love not having the responsibility, but I sense from your post that you are not happy with your lot now and want more. Does being a soldier give you enough, or could you be an officer (some different skill sets required in both career streams)?
  4. Thank you, that was kind of the answer I was looking for. Although to be fair I was also pushing for a 'two sides of the story' trail of responses but that was just the curiosity cogs turning. I'm aware I could use the search function, but is it really selfish of me to expect somebody to take the time to give me a couple of lines of opinion? Yes? Ah shite...


    Again, thanks folks.
  5. The friendly dog is at home doing whatever he does when he, TFB and the Fenianette are sole occupants of Cuddles Towers. Me and the friendly red MG are out at work.
  6. Cuddles, glad to hear it (the dog bit - I am slightly suspicious of MGFs!).

    YMP - the 2 sides bit might not get answered in the officer recruiting area - that would involve a non-officer or officer hater telling you that becoming an officer is a waste of your life etc. which it appears your family have already done and you don't completely trust that view. It is a different way of life and having never been a soldier, one I can't comment on, but you could definitely search for that Officer vs Enlisted thread.
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  8. The recruiting office will point you in the direction that they think your qualifications will most suit you for. The basic difference is that joining as an officer you will automatically become “management” and your training, placements etc from them on will all be geared to leading the soldiers under your command, be it as a junior manager or pushing upwards. There are exceptions, such as Engineering Officers, Tech Adjts, PQO (doctors, dentists, lawyers etc) but generally you are being groomed for the management side of things.

    Joining as a soldier will be as a man doing a job. That sounds a bit trite but I mean, if you join the infantry (for example) you will be highly trained to carry out that job and follow the commands of your managers until you reach higher levels. As a junior officer, you will also follow commands but will be expected to make decisions about the job your men are doing and it is you they will look to for advice in “sticky” situations, albeit you will have very experienced NCOs guiding you all along the way. You would be well advised to take this advice, especially at the beginning.

    If you join a Corps you will be taught a trade and your career will progress in that trade up to management (supervisory) level. Don’t think a plethora of A levels will set you apart from others. If you read the Int Corps site, you will find there are many non-officers educated to degree level carrying out basic analysis and linguistic work. You mentioned the Signals and you will also find that A levels and, depending on the trade, degrees are also very common. Electronic technicians, some operator trades, Int analysis, linguists, REME artificers etc will all have been down the higher education road. Some of the Army training in these cases exceeds that expected of A levels and degrees, albeit at a more intense and compressed format. REME artificers and Signals foremen, for example, have to complete an 18 month (may have changed since I left) course and that is after going through the initial training and Class 3, Class 2, Class 1 courses. I was only a lowly operator but still had a 10 month training course just to get Class 3, then attend a 2 month Class 2 upgrading and 3 out of 6 specialist courses to get to Class 1. This was followed by a long Supervisory course which finally gets you right the way up to Staff Sgt. Generally after 12 to 15 years service. So you can see you have a great deal of experience to draw on from your SNCOs and Warrant Officers.

    The important difference is, as an officer you will be expected to be a part of management from the word go (alright, no-one really expects a subbie to suddenly make momentous decisions regarding orbats or completely rearrange the training schedule for IED operators straight away but you will be expected to sort out rationing, accommodation, training requirements etc for your men). As a soldier you will take on responsibilities but at a later stage of your career.
    Horses for courses, as they say, but the more races you enter the more chance you have of winning. You also mentioned you didn’t complete your degree course. Have a look at some of the posts on here regarding the difference between grad and non-grad officers. You will get less pay (to start with), you will gain promotion slower than a grad until you get to a certain level and certain jobs will not be available to you. Beyond that, there isn’t all that much difference.

    Oh, except that as a junior officer, if you get in the proverbial due to hi-jinks in the Mess, you'll probably end up with a few extras as "high spirits". Do it as a soldier in the NAAFI and you may get nick, binned, career on hold as a troublemaker etc. But that's life, shit as it may be.
  9. exbleep great post. very useful