A Company of Soldiers - TV Documentary 25/7

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As the US major says ... "Holy Smokes.."

All the gear, no idea.

These clowns are dangerous.
 
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A pretty callous action, but perhaps one committed by a man frustrated by the circumstances in which he found himself. The expression made by the Iraqi (I presume the dogs owner) said it all I felt. Even the GIs were astounded by it. Sad to see the animal in such pain. That single action alone would have cost them in the hearts and minds game and set back the good work these blokes were doing with the locals.

Good programme though. Such a shame that it was broadcast so late in the evening. I would imagine that quite a few people who would have watched it didn't due to this.

The arrival of Mrs Babbit's letter after the death of her husband was a choker.
 
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Trossachs said:
As the US major says ... "Holy Smokes.."

All the gear, no idea.

These clowns are dangerous.

Pretty naff statement mate. Just shows the level of your ignorance. I wouldn't have classed any of them as clowns. I might make an exception for the bloke who shot the dog, but as far as I could see they appeared a tight team determined to do what they are paid for and trying to keep each other alive.
 
#7
"Weapons Loose"!!!!

A good programme, some shocking tactics! I think they could certainly learn of us!!

It was horrible when he shot the dog and I agree with Biscuits_AB, it could of cost them alot by that single action!
 
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The US forces have never been very good at the hearts & mind stuff. Just look at Vietnam. Their idea of hearts & minds there was to torch villages.
Mind you, they are just carrying on with what they did to native Indian villages in the 19th century in the US.
 
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Trossachs said:
As the US major says ... "Holy Smokes.."

All the gear, no idea.

These clowns are dangerous.
My thoughts exactly. Did you see when they hosed down a civilian car, only for the officer to state 'Oh shit, what do we do now' and then watch the fatally injured civilian wrythe in agony on his back seat, all the while not offering first aid (or even to reduce his pain). Shocking!
 
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Agent_Smith said:
Trossachs said:
As the US major says ... "Holy Smokes.."

All the gear, no idea.

These clowns are dangerous.
My thoughts exactly. Did you see when they hosed down a civilian car, only for the officer to state 'Oh s***, what do we do now' and then watch the fatally injured civilian wrythe in agony on his back seat, all the while not offering first aid (or even to reduce his pain). Shocking!
AS

Yes but the TV man did say that the officer had been told by the medic that the man has been fatally wounded & they cant do anything for him, from then didnt they go forward & make a perimiter cordon, & never showed you what else they did.
 
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It all took place in 2004 so hopefully they've learned from their mistakes.The one thing that struck me is how emotional they all got,from OC down to PFC.If my subbie had told me he loved us and cried his eye's out I would have wanted a new subbie.I know its emotional when one of your mate's is killed but Brits on the whole don't go in for that amount of emotional outpouring,it must surely put everyone in the wrong frame of mind when you go back out to face the baddies,ie shoot the dog.When do you see brits having a group prayer before you hit the streets,to emotional and to religious is how I felt after watching it.
 
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I found the programme utterly fascinating and I didn't think they were clowns at all. Granted, some of the stuff that went on made me wince but overall, I thought they came out of it pretty well.

I did get angry when the Doc shot the dog, that was bloody stupid. That sort of action can just ruin absolutely everything that you are trying to do and the bloke who did it should have got his arrse kicked for it, regardless of whether he was frustrated or not. And what is it with Americans and sunglasses?! The civil affairs Captain kept them on the whole time when talking to the locals, even when he was out of sun. I found myself yelling at the TV for him to take the damn things off! :x

Sad for SFC Babbit though, RIP mate. Biscuits was right, the letter from his wife was a real choker.
 
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Andyroo wrote
The US forces have never been very good at the hearts & mind stuff. Just look at Vietnam. Their idea of hearts & minds there was to torch villages.

That was the army policy(Well kills that is and not even the army just general Westmoreland's policy)
The USMC did it right (small teams teaching Vietnamese how to patrol and defend their village.First aid stations clean drinking water etc etc. The V.C could not operate without the villagers informing the Americans of all the weapons and food stores .)

The army openly stated they could not drag the marines out to fight!

Last year I had an excellent book the Vietnam magazine (I think) written by officers from all of the American armed forces.
sadly this has been past on now. Will try to confirm the name of the book.
 
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watto135 said:
Agent_Smith said:
Trossachs said:
As the US major says ... "Holy Smokes.."

All the gear, no idea.

These clowns are dangerous.
My thoughts exactly. Did you see when they hosed down a civilian car, only for the officer to state 'Oh s***, what do we do now' and then watch the fatally injured civilian wrythe in agony on his back seat, all the while not offering first aid (or even to reduce his pain). Shocking!
AS

Yes but the TV man did say that the officer had been told by the medic that the man has been fatally wounded & they cant do anything for him, from then didnt they go forward & make a perimiter cordon, & never showed you what else they did.
Does that excuse him from providing some form of solice for the dieing man, especially considering it was that officer's men that fattaly wounded the civilian. I for sure know that i would feel morally obliged to provide him with any help i could, even if it was my last shot of morphine to ease his pain.
 
#19
Saw the documentary and I must say, no wonder the Americans are losing men left right and centre.There tactics are similar to a bunch of boy scouts out on a ramble.As for the big hard soldier who shot the dog,well thats all the Americans are good at. No wonder the yanks are despised the world over.As for the troops who were killed,may they rest in peace.The injured get well soon.
 
#20
Good point about shades.As soon as you take your sunglasse's off and talk to the Iraq's their face's show far more interest,and there are more smile's to boot.IMHO
 

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