A brave St Crispin's day to all....

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  1. Goatman

    Goatman LE Book Reviewer

    Anniversary of the Battle of Agincourt 1415 falls today 25th October.....huzza!

    St. Crispin's Day Speech - Henry V (1944) - YouTube

    SOURCE

    The exact composition of the archers present has often been debated: Welsh and English mixed without doubt - but certain numbers are not known. - cf Bernard Cornwell's ' Azincourt'
     
  2. Think the Kenny Spanner version is better.

     
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  3. Once more unto the breach,,,,
     

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  4. Mean bastards none the less
     
  5. Goatman

    Goatman LE Book Reviewer

    ( Heathen !).....for those of a certain age Lord Larry's version had it all even if it was in B&W.....( not least as it was filmed at a time when there was still a good deal of hard battling ahead before the Boche conceded that, for them, the war was over... .....)

    but whosevers version you prefer - remember them, with all those who later fell in Flanders.....


    PS - I've just remembered - Branagh hanged Richard Briers, A National Treasure !...bad joss to him the knave !
     
  6. I think its incredible that the National Archives still hold most of the original contract documents between the Crown and the various retinues and companies of archers for the campaign. Amazing level of detail about the logistics and funding of a medieval war.

    Juliet Barker's "Agincourt" is quite a good read.
     
  7. Discipline ought to be used.
     
  8. Goatman

    Goatman LE Book Reviewer

    SOURCE
    Historical Notes on Agincourt by Bernard Cornwell

    The battle of Agincourt (Azincourt was and remains the French spelling) was one of the most remarkable events of medieval Europe, a battle whose reputation far outranked its importance. In the long history of Anglo-French rivalry only Hastings, Waterloo, Trafalgar, and Crécy share Agincourt’s renown. It is arguable that Poitiers was a more significant battle and an even more complete victory, or that Verneuil was just as astonishing a triumph, and it’s certain that Hastings, Blenheim, Vittoria, Trafalgar, and Waterloo were more influential on the course of history, yet Agincourt still holds its extraordinary place in English legend. Something quite remarkable happened on 25 October 1415 (Agincourt was fought long before Christendom’s conversion to the new-style calendar, so the modern anniversary should be on 4 November). It was something so remarkable that its fame persists almost six hundred years later.

    Agincourt’s fame could just be an accident, a quirk of history reinforced by Shakespeare’s genius, but the evidence suggests it really was a battle that sent a shock wave through Europe. For years afterward the French called 25 October 1415 la malheureuse journée (the unfortunate day). Even after they had expelled the English from France they remembered la malheureuse journée with sadness. It had been a disaster.

    Yet it was so nearly a disaster for Henry V and his small, but well-equipped army. That army had sailed from Southampton Water with high hopes, the chief of which was the swift capture of Harfleur, which would be followed by a foray into the French heartland in hope, presumably, of bringing the French to battle. A victory in that battle would demonstrate, at least in the pious Henry’s mind, God’s support of his claim to the French throne, and might even propel him onto that throne. Such hopes were not vain when his army was intact, but the siege of Harfleur took much longer than expected and Henry’s army was almost ruined by dysentery.

    The tale of the siege in the novel is, by and large, accurate, though I did take one great liberty, which was to sink a mineshaft opposite the Leure Gate. There was no such shaft, the ground would not allow it, and all the real mines were dug by the Duke of Clarence’s forces that were assailing the eastern side of Harfleur. The French counter-mines defeated those diggings, but I wanted to give a flavor, however inadequately, of the horrors men faced in fighting beneath the earth. The defense of Harfleur was magnificent, for which much of the praise must go to Raoul de Gaucourt, one of the garrison’s leaders. His defiance, and the long days of the siege, gave the French a chance to raise a much larger army than any they might have fielded against Henry if the siege had ended, say, in early September



    ...hee, hee......and, by the way, get that longbow out and start growing your hair those who want to be extras !

    Michael Mann heading into battle with Agincourt | TotalFilm.com
     


  9. A price worth paying for a shot at Felicity Kendall, methinks.
     
  10. Cry God for Harry England and St. George.

    God help us for we are in the hands of maundering politicians, lawyers and social workers now. Who will save us?
     
  11. Goatman

    Goatman LE Book Reviewer

    ( if historical precedent is anything to go by - The Welch ! :) )
     
  12. Anybody else hoping that the Longbows in helmand today have as much success? I mean I know nowaday's they come with 30 mil cannons and hellfires, but still, it'd be nice if we could have similar results.
     
  13. That would mean being decisive.
     
  14. I think the French would be quite upset if you started slotting them today, esp as your now allies.
     
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