9 US troops killed in Afghanistan

#1
US soldiers killed in Afghanistan as Taliban attacks base

Tom Coghlan, Kabul US troops were killed when Taliban insurgents attempted to overrun an American base as bloody fighting was reported in several parts of Afghanistan today.
Nato reported that the small American Combat Outpost in Dara-I-Pech district of Kunar Province, on the border with Nuristan Province in the east of the country, came under heavy fire at around 4.30am local time. Heavy fighting continued throughout the day with US forces calling in artillery, fast jets and Apache helicopters.
Nato spokesmen warned of casualties "on both sides", but said figures were difficult to ascertain while the fighting continued. The Times understands that a number of US soldiers died.
"Insurgents have been firing at the COP with small arms, machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars using homes, shops and the mosque in the village of Wanat for cover," said a Nato statement.




read more and source http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4326321.ece
They ever try this over running an out post lark before aganist coalition forces?....I know they did it against the Russian's
 
#3
We should pull out of that god forsaken place
 
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petergriffen said:
US soldiers killed in Afghanistan as Taliban attacks base

Tom Coghlan, Kabul US troops were killed when Taliban insurgents attempted to overrun an American base as bloody fighting was reported in several parts of Afghanistan today.
Nato reported that the small American Combat Outpost in Dara-I-Pech district of Kunar Province, on the border with Nuristan Province in the east of the country, came under heavy fire at around 4.30am local time. Heavy fighting continued throughout the day with US forces calling in artillery, fast jets and Apache helicopters.
Nato spokesmen warned of casualties "on both sides", but said figures were difficult to ascertain while the fighting continued. The Times understands that a number of US soldiers died.
"Insurgents have been firing at the COP with small arms, machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars using homes, shops and the mosque in the village of Wanat for cover," said a Nato statement.




read more and source http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4326321.ece
They ever try this over running an out post lark before against coalition forces?....I know they did it against the Russian's
Yeah they used to try it all the time when 16 Bde were first out in 2006, they soon learned that it wouldn't work and started to switch to more asymmetrical tactics.
 
#7
RIP guys.

tomahawk6 said:
Drop a FAE on the village send them all to paradise.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080711/ap_on_re_as/afghanistan;_ylt=AhUyNC8bvl7XOcu65fWlodNw24cA

Jul 11
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The airstrike on Sunday in Deh Bala district of Nuristan province
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A U.S. military airstrike this week killed 47 civilians traveling to a wedding, the head of an Afghan government commission investigating the incident said Friday.
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39 of those killed in the airstrike were women and children
Btw, those killed had fathers, husbands, brothers and sons. What else could you expect in the country where each boy is taught to shoot?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7504393.stm

The fighting is close to where US forces were accused of killing 47 civilians in an air strike in Nangarhar province a week ago.
AP reported that the airstraike took olace in 'Deh Bala district of Nuristan province'

While the Taliban is mostly Pushtun organisation with strong Islamic background, the Nuristanis (it is a separate people) are different.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuristan

Nuristān is a region embedded in the south of Hindu Kush valleys.
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Until the 1890s, the region was known as Kafiristan (Persian: Land of the unbelievers) because of its inhabitants: the Nuristani, an ethnically distinctive people (numbering about 60,000) who practiced animism. The region was conquered by Emir Abdur Rahman Khan in 1895-96 and the Nuristani were forcibly converted to Islam. The region was renamed Nuristan, meaning Land of the Enlightened, a reflection of the forced "enlightening" of the pagan Nuristani by the "light-giving" of Islam.
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Nuristan was the scene of some of the heaviest guerrilla fighting during the 1979-89 invasion and occupation of Afghanistan by Soviet forces. For a period of time during this era, the eastern area of Nuristan was a semi-autonomous region called the Islamic Revolutionary State of Afghanistan, or Dawlat. It was a Wahhibist Islamic state run by anti-Soviet warlord Maulvi Afzal and was recognized by Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. The Dawlat dissolved under Taliban rule.
So it is highly unwise to allienate the Nuristanis, to bomb their wedding ceremony.
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
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As already pointed out - this wasn't the Taliban, or AQ, this was some very, very, very upset locals. R.I.P. to the fallen, and to those civilians killed in the air attack also.
 
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tomahawk6 said:
Sergei they werent civilians.
Sir, maybe you are right, but according to the BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7504574.stm

The BBC's Alastair Leithead is the first journalist to reach the scene of a US air raid which Afghan authorities say killed about 50 civilians in the east of the country on 6 July.
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A big double wedding was taking place between two families, with each exchanging a bride and a groom.

So Lal Zareen's son and daughter were both getting married on the same day.
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From nowhere a fast jet flew low and dropped a bomb right on top of the pass near a group of children who had impatiently rushed ahead and were resting, waiting for the women to catch up.
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Shah Zareen picked up one of the injured, ran down to the village and on his way was calling his local member of parliament on a mobile phone to say they had been attacked.

But then he heard the second blast - the bomb had been dropped on top of the women and almost all of them had been killed.
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Three girls escaped, among them the bride, but as they ran down the hillside a third bomb landed on top of them.
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The US military says it is investigating the incident and it is understood they may have some aerial footage from hours earlier showing insurgents moving nearby.

But it is obvious a huge mistake was made on 6 July. A US statement about the bombing said "any loss of innocent life is tragic".
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These mistakes are incredibly costly in a counter-insurgency campaign which relies on winning people over, not forcing them against the authorities.

I wonder how many enemies have been created in Nangarhar as a result of the latest bloodshed?
I'm absolutely sure that it was a mistake, that of course it was not cold-blooded killing. However, I agree with the author of the article, agree with his conclusion.
 

Mr Happy

LE
Moderator
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petergriffen said:
They ever try this over running an out post lark before aganist coalition forces?....I know they did it against the Russian's
Repeatedly in Helmand as I understand it. Bloody noses as a consequence. They have however had more luck over-running US patrols and temporary bases - I can think of one of each off the top of my head. Both US SF.

I'm not sure why they have achieved vs the US more than anyone else (motivation? Location? Daring on behalf of the US SF? Stupidity on behalf of US SF for being there? The list is endless..).
 

Mr Happy

LE
Moderator
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Biped said:
As already pointed out - this wasn't the Taliban, or AQ, this was some very, very, very upset locals. R.I.P. to the fallen, and to those civilians killed in the air attack also.
Are you saying the attack on the US base nearby that is the subject of this thread was not an ACF operation but locals out to revenge the wedding bombing or are you saying the wedding was civvies and not ACF?
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
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Mr Happy said:
Biped said:
As already pointed out - this wasn't the Taliban, or AQ, this was some very, very, very upset locals. R.I.P. to the fallen, and to those civilians killed in the air attack also.
Are you saying the attack on the US base nearby that is the subject of this thread was not an ACF operation but locals out to revenge the wedding bombing or are you saying the wedding was civvies and not ACF?
As I understand from the reports, it is quite likely to be revenge attacks against US forces in the very same region as the wedding party that got bombed by mistake.

It seems too coincidental that a couple of days after this wedding party got wiped out, there are numerous attacks all over that province against US forces, with some horrendous results.

My comment stands - R.I.P. the US fallen, and R.I.P. the Afghans at the wedding. One would have to be a cold b@stard not to feel for the civvies that got killed by mistake.

Whether the wedding was ACF bods or not, there were women and children killed.
 

Mr Happy

LE
Moderator
#15
Roger that.

I am wondering what the US lessons learned from this might be...

(a) don't determine if large groups of people moving near a border area are taliban by flying at angels 20, but get eyes on target or independent corroboration

or

(b) brass up everything that gets within 500m of our bases..
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
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Mr Happy said:
Roger that.

I am wondering what the US lessons learned from this might be...

(a) don't determine if large groups of people moving near a border area are taliban by flying at angels 20, but get eyes on target or independent corroboration

or

(b) brass up everything that gets within 500m of our bases..
Er, I think we both know the answer to that one . . .
 

Mr Happy

LE
Moderator
#17
Yeah, its saddening that the "story" they will take away is that 9 FF have been killed, not "we shouldn't have done that in the first place"..

I type this as a yank lover, unashamed friend of the US and its forces, many of whom I have known for years that are now hitting senior command appointments..

I wonder if a single US media will report "US bombs wedding, 9 American Soldier die as a consequence"
 
#18
From Ghosts of Alexander Why Nuristan Matters.

Show this map to an old Soviet officer who served in the region and he will tell you that those routes look exactly like the mujahideen infiltration routes from the 1980s...
I don't know if there's really a causal link to that wedding bombing.

A Battlefield Tourist has this:
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Paratroopers from the 173rd Airborne Brigade have been operating in the area for more than a year and have suffered more killed in action than any other coalition unit during the conflict in Afghanistan.
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Seems the locals have been restive for some time. Might have made then rather collaborative with folk South of the Durand line who have had quite a lot of experience overrunning fortified positions.
From the above:
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Related Fighting?

Afghan civilians have teamed up with Afghan Security Forces in the remote Bargi Matal district, Nuristan Province to fight off a Taliban attack on the district center. Elsewhere in the region, According to various reports, “Pakistani Taliban” initiated the assault in the late morning of July 12 after crossing over from Chitral in Pakistan. Other sources say fighting has been ongoing since July 10. At least two police posts have been overrun. Reports say a mixed force of as many as 500 militants, including Chechens, are involved.
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#19
Some people are talking like this province of Afghanistan has been quiet until the peace was shattered by this bombing which killed innocent civilians.

That's just not true, look at the casualty figures for Eastern Afghanistan.
 
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Mr Happy said:
petergriffen said:
They ever try this over running an out post lark before aganist coalition forces?....I know they did it against the Russian's
Repeatedly in Helmand as I understand it. Bloody noses as a consequence. They have however had more luck over-running US patrols and temporary bases - I can think of one of each off the top of my head. Both US SF.

I'm not sure why they have achieved vs the US more than anyone else (motivation? Location? Daring on behalf of the US SF? Stupidity on behalf of US SF for being there? The list is endless..).
In the attack that just occurred, the combat outpost was only 3 days old. Also, outposts in Eastern Afghanistan are harder to defend because of the mountains and trees.

Also, the Taliban failed to over run the outpost. As far as I know no outpost has ever been over run.
 

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