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77 Brigade used to quash rumours and disinformation..

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Slime

LE
Apparently they are cyber experts*, though mainly recruited from 3rd rate universities which specialise in feminist and media studies.




So the British Army, which is always moaning about a lack of funding, operates a troll factory. And that troll factory is officially being used against the population of the UK? Presumably these are the same trolls who came up with the XRW campaign / dob your mates in to receive promotion.

A quick look at their website raises quite a few questions..


Cultural and linguistic advice presumably means they advised on the "Army needs snowflakes" recruitment campaign. Can't say I ever heard of the Stasi or Gestapo getting anything quite as wrong as that. The Scottish cybernats seem to be convinced that the 77th Media Mastodons was deployed en masse against them.

  • Web Ops Team. The Web Ops Team collects information and understands audience sentiment in the virtual domain. Within the extant OSINT policy framework, they may engage with audiences in order to influence perceptions to support operational outcomes.
  • Production Team. The Production Team design and create video, audio, print and digital products that aim to influence behaviours for both the Army and external audience. Additionally, they advise on campaign strategy and propose innovative behavioural change methods


Seems they can't spell propaganda..

WHAT WE FOCUS ON
  • Women Peace and Security (WPS) in conflict
  • Protection of Civilians (POC)
  • Children and Armed Conflict (CAAC)
  • Modern Slavery and Human Trafficking (MSHT)
  • Integrity and Anti-Corruption (IAC)

The first is to be expected of blue haired mastodons with cankles and 17 cats and no prospect whatsoever of ever breeding due to their personalities... I find the integrity and anti-corruption the most chilling. Almost as though this elite brigade of feminists, cucks and soyboys have a gun to the head of anyone who dares question their deranged ideology. Given the worryingly extreme lack of morals and standards displayed by most feminists, whether male or female, putting them in charge of integrity must be a bit like putting Tony Blair ( the ultimate cuck feminist or did Bercow upstage him?) in charge of the Middle East peace process.

"The Staff Corps consists of around 100 Group B reservist officers who operate at predominantly chief executive, director, and senior technical or operation manager level in large commercial enterprises or organisations.... Technical Communications, Corporate, Stratcoms, Advertising, Marketing, Digital Commerce, Banking and Academia among others."

So any ivory tower cuck or weirdo who can't hold their own in online debate can now be paid to call their publically funded trolls in?


Does anyone who isn't a sock puppet of the 77th ( @RoyalGreenJacket ) think that taxpayers money should be used to fund this? I've seen these troll factories develop in the civil service, informally at first with the director merely mentioning that their latest pronoucement will be tweeted later should anyone like to comment. Not that it might help your promotion prospects if you do of course. All the way to organised pile ons which clearly emanate from CS offices for journalists who dare criticise some aspect of policy or competence.

This however is some hardcore dystopian bastardry, the Army being used against the people and freedoms it is supposed to protect, trying to prevent the free speech which is the cornerstone of our civilisation.

More to the point the Army must truly be awash with money to dedicate any resources whatsoever to this abject nonsense. The Ministry of Demoralisation really has made Orwell proud, could we instead work to make him mere fiction again?


* Who had their twitter account hacked, amusingly.

Excellent thread. ;)
When I posted yesterday that conspiracy theorists would jump on the mention of 77 Brigade I knew it would happen, but admit to being a bit surprised the wibble didn’t start with one of the usual suspects.
 

Polyester

War Hero
You obviously haven't studied it, else you would be well aware of terms like 'probably', 'almost certainly'..... I don't want absolute guarantees from politicians, but from science and they're be made responsible in the event that its not.
Ok. Fair enough, you want assurances from science and not politicians. I can understand why you’d say that.

Where, in any scientific journal, website or article of repute have you seen evidence or a study that has proven that would we should have concerns about 5G? Or indeed what threat 5G poses to human or animal health? Your fear must stem from somewhere?
 

endure

GCM
You obviously haven't studied it, else you would be well aware of terms like 'probably', 'almost certainly'..... I don't want absolute guarantees from politicians, but from science and they're be made responsible in the event that its not.


You'll never get absolute guarantees from science as that's not the way that science works.
 

DTBA

War Hero
Good thing Islamist nutters don't use online propaganda to convert the gullible.

You silly.
But there's loads of stuff on those infographics that aren't relevant to the UK or HM Forces personnel. It's desperate.

Combat 18 is on there which is fair enough as they've had squaddies join before, but when you've got Austrian nationalist groups and Nordic pagans mentioned people think "what the **** is that about?" and think it's bullshit.
 
If - as seems likely - there is some substance to the allegation that DHSC created fake nurse identities on social media to send out messages about Coronavirus then politicians have moved on from discrediting stories to making them.

At which point my civic servility runs out...

It's been discredited from a lot of angles already, unless you're the sort of conspiracy nut who still thinks the world is flat

It's more who was creating the false rumours of substance to the allegations that DHSC created fake nurse itdenties and who initially started the rumours

Momentum, foreign intelligence services...could be anyone?
 
As to 77 Brigade I'm not surprised they exist, just wonder why the army is doing this, thought it would be more GCHQ's job internally in the UK?

It's a necessity in this day and age even for more democratic nation states, so don't understand the outcry itself
 

Polyester

War Hero
Unless the OP is a tool elsewhere, I see no major issues with the leading post. What am I missing?
I imagine it is a case of the brigade in question behaving like Russian Bot farms according to the OP.
The effectiveness or cost of the brigade in question is beside the point if they achieve their aim.
 

endure

GCM
No it is not. Wavelength = Speed of Light/Frequency.

1 GHz = 30cm (300mm or 0.3m) wavelength.
30 GHZ = 1cm (10mm 0r 0.01m).

No mobile phone system uses Extremely High Frequency (30 - 300Ghz). The free space loss and attenuation due to rain, and complexity, would make it a poor choice.


5G may be using 60Ghz for short distances. There's also a 60Ghz wifi standard (WiGig) but it's not used very much
 

endure

GCM
Anything that does not tow toe the company line

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I remember when it's predecesor was looking for reservists with IT skills... Merely to check on squaddies facebook accounts, make sure they weren't putting themselves in danger due to persec... This after a few incidents of enriched attacks upon reservists and the like. Keeping them safe of course.

It certainly wasn't a brigade back then. To say there has been mission creep in a worrying direction would be an understatement.

Seems to be one of those irregular verbs..

We need diverse and culturally enriched elite cyber warriors to protect our infrastructure, they have mass troll factories to spread disinformation and fake news, he is a government sponsored troll.

The cabinet office's rapid response unit used to be called the rapid rebuttal unit, was set up under Tony Blair to discredit journalists and stories which he didn't like.

Cut it any which way you like, make any excuse due to medical emergency you like, the fact remains that the Army is being used politically.
You don't have a clue of the modern ways of warfare, do you?
 
As to 77 Brigade I'm not surprised they exist, just wonder why the army is doing this, thought it would be more GCHQ's job internally in the UK?

It's a necessity in this day and age even for more democratic nation states, so don't understand the outcry itself
You won't get that discussion in the open - ever.
 

Polyester

War Hero
Eh? Suppose it's large, expensive and basically a script kiddy clickfarm? Not value for money.

If you're half-proficient in cyber, you ain't going to be in 77Bde.
I suppose if I were to reflect on my previous post there, I can’t really argue with your view in terms of cost to value. Fair enough.

I’m not clued up enough about cyber or 77Bde so I won’t make any more comments on their effectiveness. The OPs point was however, still nonsense. If all the Bde does is put right a few fools on the internet who could do harm then I see no issue with it.

I take it from your comments your have personal experience of 77?
 
Apparently they are cyber experts*, though mainly recruited from 3rd rate universities which specialise in feminist and media studies.




So the British Army, which is always moaning about a lack of funding, operates a troll factory. And that troll factory is officially being used against the population of the UK? Presumably these are the same trolls who came up with the XRW campaign / dob your mates in to receive promotion.

A quick look at their website raises quite a few questions..


Cultural and linguistic advice presumably means they advised on the "Army needs snowflakes" recruitment campaign. Can't say I ever heard of the Stasi or Gestapo getting anything quite as wrong as that. The Scottish cybernats seem to be convinced that the 77th Media Mastodons was deployed en masse against them.

  • Web Ops Team. The Web Ops Team collects information and understands audience sentiment in the virtual domain. Within the extant OSINT policy framework, they may engage with audiences in order to influence perceptions to support operational outcomes.
  • Production Team. The Production Team design and create video, audio, print and digital products that aim to influence behaviours for both the Army and external audience. Additionally, they advise on campaign strategy and propose innovative behavioural change methods


Seems they can't spell propaganda..

WHAT WE FOCUS ON
  • Women Peace and Security (WPS) in conflict
  • Protection of Civilians (POC)
  • Children and Armed Conflict (CAAC)
  • Modern Slavery and Human Trafficking (MSHT)
  • Integrity and Anti-Corruption (IAC)

The first is to be expected of blue haired mastodons with cankles and 17 cats and no prospect whatsoever of ever breeding due to their personalities... I find the integrity and anti-corruption the most chilling. Almost as though this elite brigade of feminists, cucks and soyboys have a gun to the head of anyone who dares question their deranged ideology. Given the worryingly extreme lack of morals and standards displayed by most feminists, whether male or female, putting them in charge of integrity must be a bit like putting Tony Blair ( the ultimate cuck feminist or did Bercow upstage him?) in charge of the Middle East peace process.

"The Staff Corps consists of around 100 Group B reservist officers who operate at predominantly chief executive, director, and senior technical or operation manager level in large commercial enterprises or organisations.... Technical Communications, Corporate, Stratcoms, Advertising, Marketing, Digital Commerce, Banking and Academia among others."

So any ivory tower cuck or weirdo who can't hold their own in online debate can now be paid to call their publically funded trolls in?


Does anyone who isn't a sock puppet of the 77th ( @RoyalGreenJacket ) think that taxpayers money should be used to fund this? I've seen these troll factories develop in the civil service, informally at first with the director merely mentioning that their latest pronoucement will be tweeted later should anyone like to comment. Not that it might help your promotion prospects if you do of course. All the way to organised pile ons which clearly emanate from CS offices for journalists who dare criticise some aspect of policy or competence.

This however is some hardcore dystopian bastardry, the Army being used against the people and freedoms it is supposed to protect, trying to prevent the free speech which is the cornerstone of our civilisation.

More to the point the Army must truly be awash with money to dedicate any resources whatsoever to this abject nonsense. The Ministry of Demoralisation really has made Orwell proud, could we instead work to make him mere fiction again?


* Who had their twitter account hacked, amusingly.
OK, OK, 'fess up. Which one of these are you:

1. Russian troll paid for by Putin
2. Momentum activist/SJW
3. Turps nudging, tinfoil hat wearing, moon howler

Tick all that apply, Bugsy.
 
What I am and how I conduct my hobbies or interests online is none of the state's business.

I think you’ll find it very much IS the state’s business. There are those that walk amongst us that would seek to do us harm; those that frequent Alan’s Snackbar, for example. Their hobbies and interests online are very much the state’s business, as personified by GC, 5 and a number of others.

In an intelligence-led op against them, you won’t figure (assuming you’re a goody two shoes), but in a bulk operation against a target website, country, application or service, they have to drink from the firehose and find the woodpile inhabitants.

Now how they do that and which countries, applications and services is none of YOUR business.
 
I suppose if I were to reflect on my previous post there, I can’t really argue with your view in terms of cost to value. Fair enough.

I’m not clued up enough about cyber or 77Bde so I won’t make any more comments on their effectiveness. The OPs point was however, still nonsense. If all the Bde does is put right a few fools on the internet who could do harm then I see no issue with it.

I take it from your comments your have personal experience of 77?
I apologise for my pedantry...

I've no experience of 77 Bde but I know NCSC very well and have worked with them closely, on occasion, but would be indiscreet to say more. More importantly I know very well the threat actors in play here and how they operate. By this I happily lump together organisations that arrse would regard as friendly, and those that it would not, they are all engaged in various forms of disinformation.

I therefore know very well the levels of skill and judgement needed and unless 77Bde manages to be a construct totally unlike other MoD-inspired half-regular/half-reservist sinecures, it's not going to be good enough.

But Darth Carter got a semi talking about it.
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
Eh? Suppose it's large, expensive and basically a script kiddy clickfarm? Not value for money.

If you're half-proficient in cyber, you ain't going to be in 77Bde.

I suspect the true cost will be measured in the reputation of the Armed Forces in general.
 
Ok. Fair enough, you want assurances from science and not politicians. I can understand why you’d say that.

Where, in any scientific journal, website or article of repute have you seen evidence or a study that has proven that would we should have concerns about 5G? Or indeed what threat 5G poses to human or animal health? Your fear must stem from somewhere?
Probably the same source as everyone elses i.e. the 2017 and 2019 letters to the EU and UN.. The unproven nature of the concern, doesn't immediatly invalidate the potential problem + as an exRTG, to steal a pun from pre-war the wave(bomber) will always get through.

I am sidetracked somewhat as my original post with regards liberty and believing what you ever you want is the cornerstone of democracy. Take that pillar away, then we are not free.
 

Polyester

War Hero
Probably the same source as everyone elses i.e. the 2017 and 2019 letters to the EU and UN.. The unproven nature of the concern, doesn't immediatly invalidate the potential problem + as an exRTG, to steal a pun from pre-war the wave(bomber) will always get through.

I am sidetracked somewhat as my original post with regards liberty and believing what you ever you want is the cornerstone of democracy. Take that pillar away, then we are not free.
Where about might I find those letters? I’m not going to ask you to put links to them up. I only ask as you state they were written to the EU and the UN (I’m assuming as open letters) and would therefore have an author(s). How did you come across them?

Edited to add; I also believe in the freedoms we enjoy and more importantly respect why we have them however, and this isn’t aimed at you, not everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes an unwieldy spade is just a spade.
 
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