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  1. Looking for the answer on 7 Q's
    should it be given in the same way as the old estimate of on the sketch map. Seems to be some debate.
    Any info please.
  2. mysteron

    mysteron LE Book Reviewer

    Sketch Maps are always a winner.

    Picture paints....et al.

    However, there is no definitive answer as it is just a means to get you to a point to form a plan.

    It is like judging art....subjective at best.
  3. Mysteron, good answer.

    Evilone, rotten question. :wink:

    If I might reveal a bit of insider knowledge, Evilone's question stems from a recent JOTES exam where many of the DS were of the old and bold variety, and consequently less familiar with the 7Qs Combat Estimate than perhaps was desirable for such an important event. (Scurilous accusations on ARRSE, whatever next :lol:)

    A sketch map in this case actually turned out to be a loser as the (hypothetical - haha) DS wanted evidence that the factors had been considered in 3 column format against each possible COA. Now as someone who started life with the Appreciation, I think it wonderful that our young subbies are getting a history lesson, but am as puzzled as Evilone as to how to incorporate that into the latest generation 7Qs Combat Estimate.

    If any of the DS are on-line and willing to reveal themselves it would be useful to know the answer to this as he and at least a dozen others now have to resit later this year. It would be ironic if they failed the next one as a result of doing 3 COAs instead of the 7Qs best plan right now which I, for one, would like to see from them.
  4. Evilone - ask and it shall be revealed. Although I am not one of those supermen DS on JOTAC (I actually know what I'm talking about), I have been heavily involved in the ongoing development of the 7Qs and will be pleased to assist. Feel free to PM me if you have any detailed questions.

    In response to your question here, I would have to say that your 'mentors' have it slightly arrse-about-face. The '3 column format' still has a place in formal planning (i.e. the Tactical Estimate) but the whole point of the 7Qs is that is is much quicker and allows intuitive decision making to adopt a more central role. So what? Well, in simple speak, this means that there isn't a requirement for lengthy (and hideously hidebound) process - the Commander or planner can simply make an intuitive linkage and voila! the decision is made and the COA selected (or whatever).

    Hope this helps!!
  5. mysteron

    mysteron LE Book Reviewer

    The last two posts have raised an onteresting question:

    If we are all agreed that the 7Qs are merely (con a phrase) "a handrail" to get to a point where COAs are formed and, please correct me if I am wrong, the idea about the 7Qs is to quickly get there by intuitive thinking (supported by experience and sound military judgement). How the hell do you assess someone going through the process?

    I would argue that any 7Qs that are conducted below BG level are meant to intuitive and therefore impossible to test.

    At BG Level or higher, then a Q1 brief and Q2-4 plan, Q5-7 decision sp can all be judged as they are presented to the Comd to aid shaping his decision.

    Therefore, the concept of testing YOs in the 7Qs could be arguably nugatory.

    On the other hand (Devil's advocate) how can you tell if a YO is making progress by not testing them?

    Answers on a postcard? .......
  6. Being only mildly facetious now, but it does seem to me that you can boil the 7 questions down to two: 1. What do we want to do? and 2. Why do we want to do it?

    This cleverly distills mission analysis and estimate down to their essence, whilst still allowing intuitive thought processes. :D
  7. mysteron

    mysteron LE Book Reviewer


    You are actually quite right. But the problem lies with the fact that some of us aren't too clever. We mortals require stuff like the 7Qs to see us right.

    But still the Question remains: how do we assess YOs in 7Qs.
  8. I've got 'em on PowerPoint if you want to PM me. Along with what it all means.


  9. mysteron

    mysteron LE Book Reviewer

    MD, Not quite sure what you mean, I am quite confident about my knowledge of the 7Qs, but if it is an intutive process at low levels then surely it is impossible to test.
  10. I also decided that they are a useful tool for every level of commander, in varying degrees.
  11. mysteron

    mysteron LE Book Reviewer

    Eh? Can you link your point to something please. I am not that clever, obviously.
  12. Mysteron, MD and anyone else:

    Lots of good thinking here. I am minded that this is what JOTAC should be doing with regard to 7Qs i.e. initiating a discussion about prescriptive vs directive command styles; differing forms of estimate and so forth. Once again, ARRSE leads the way. :D

    To the case in hand - how do you assess a largely intuitive decision making process? Well, as has been admirably pointed out by CP, shurely all we need to know is 'what' and 'how' (without being overly restrictive of course). If we accept this, we can see that the next logical step in assessing the student is to determine degree of success, and what level is acceptable (i.e. a 'pass') and what isn't (a 'fail'). Exact definitions of each would, I suggest, actually be more wide ranging (and ultimately pointless) than the discusion at hand!

    MD makes the point that he has found the 7Qs to be of varying utility for Commanders at all levels. This is a truism - the real issue is which estimate a Commander should/would/could use at each level of command, and why? What is the single most important factor in estimate selection? In my humble view it is 'time' - both sorts of estimate have their value - the trick lies in knowing 'which' to use 'when'. I suggest that the student body on JOTAC are unlikely to be involved in deliberate planning, with the added benefit of large amounts of time in hand, at any stage in their immediate futures.

    Some interesting metrics: 4 Armd Bde submitted a hand-written formal estimate in 3 column format to the PM before Op GRANBY. This was because the Bde was sitting around in the desert for months beforehand. On Op TELIC, most deliberate planning cycles (after D Day) were rapid, intuitive and free-flowing affairs. What are we training our young leaders for? War, or Staff College? :D
  13. What are we training our young leaders for? War, or Staff College?

    What a daft question. Staff College, obviously, so they can then fill the offices at JDCC in due course and perpetuate the doctrinal bullsh1t.
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  14. Okay...here it is......as I said, if you think about it, the 7Q's can be used by any level of commander (even us non-rupert types) however the depth of thinking will increase with level of responsibility. However, it is fair to say that if you trust your subordinates, then you will leave the detail to them.....

    Qualities of a Commander
    Professional Knowledge

    The Combat Estimate (7 Questions)
    The need for effective command led to the idea of decentralised command in 1987. Although previously used by Wellington and Slim and pushed for by necessity.
    This has lead to the newest change in training doctrine the 7 Questions which follow a logical progression to allow commanders to develop a plan and a set of orders in limited time periods.
    In the process of the 7 questions the mission aim is first identified and then the plan is formed to obtain the required result.
    The questions begin with a time analysis, following the 1/3- 2/3 rule, as a good commander will give their men enough time to prepare for any upcoming mission.

    The 7 Questions
    Q1- What is the enemy doing and why?
    Q2- What have I been told to do and why?
    Q3- What effects do I want to have on the enemy and what direction must I give to develop this plan?
    Q4- Where can I best accomplish each action/effect?
    Q5- What resources do I need to accomplish each action/effect?
    Q6- When and where do the actions take place in relation to each other?
    Q7- What control measures do I need to impose?

    Quick Battle Orders
    Are a very quick set of orders formulated by a Commander using his initiative and knowledge of the situation. It requires the Commander to have knowledge of their battle space.
    Come into use when contact with an enemy force is made to aid command and control usually during an unexpected change of battle situation.
    If needed, warning order can be given but radio signals/or impromptu Orders-group usually sufficient.
    The commander will give a general outline, e.g. one section will suppress the enemy, two section will left flank etc. They will then trust in their NCOs to carry out these orders by ‘letting them off the leash’.

    Formal (Tactical) Estimate
    Generally used in larger formations e.g. Regiment or Brigade.
    Unlike the combat estimate all courses of action will be explored.
    The Commander retains in control, beginning the process and ending it but staff officers will have the main input to the stages in between.

    Formal (Tactical) Estimate
    There are Four Stages to the Formal Estimate:-
    1- Mission Analysis
    2- Evaluation of Factors
    3- Considerations of Courses of Action
    4- Commander’s Decision
  15. Just had another think about this - the 'cut out and keep' 7 Questions DS Bluffer...

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    The 7 Questions/Combat Estimate was introduced in 2001 to simplify and speed up the planning process at BG level (although it can be used at any level, situation dependent). The Combat Estimate is now included in the revised AFM Vol 1 Part 8 ‘Command and Staff Procedures’ (a copy of which can be obtained at absolutely no cost from me).

    The failure of many BG HQs to plan successfully using the estimate was a consistent theme in ‘Observations From Training’ (OFT) during the late 1990s. Thus, the Estimate was revised to make it more intuitive and easy to use. This revised process, originally known as the 7 Questions, is now referred to as the 'Combat Estimate'.

    The Combat Estimate focuses all the work strands carried out during planning and aims to ensure that all such work has a purpose and leads to a timely, enemy focussed and effects based plan. It is a thought process, not a rigid series of drills and can as equally be adapted to peace support operations (PSO) as to warfighting.

    All the key stages of planning (IPB, CCIR, STAP, Fire Planning and formation of the DSO and DSM) are inter-related and should be done as part of a whole and not in isolation.

    To exercise command, the Comd must make timely decisions and take the appropriate action. He should continually strive to decide and act faster than the enemy. The planning process must support this.
    It is more important to have a 70% worked up plan in time than a 100% plan too late.

    The plan must be flexible enough to remain relevant when the enemy does something unexpected, which he will.

    Time for proper battle procedure especially at the lower level of command is frequently overlooked during planning at BG HQ.

    If the situation permits, more time should be afforded to subordinate commanders to allow for the detail of battle procedure, especially if sub units are widely dispersed or need to rehearse. Conversely more time can be taken by the staff if the units )and/or sub-units) are concentrated for example in a hide or leaguer, and where information and orders can be passed more swiftly.

    The less time there is, the more the commander will have to be involved in the planning process. He will become more directive in his guidance and will make greater use of his intuition (relevant experience + knowledge).

    The more time he has, the greater the opportunity for the staff to use analysis and input their skills during the process. As a result there is likely to be more use of staff tools to develop the plan.

    Key is the generation of tempo through planning. The Comd and his staff must properly analyse the situation, recognize it’s decisive elements, and come up with a simple and workable solution in a timely manner. Analysis is just that - not mechanical 'by rote' regurgitation by columnar formats.

    The 7 questions represent the fundamental issues that need to be addressed in order to produce a plan. If each question is addressed fully, planning is likely to be more thorough.

    The tools and techniques are used selectively to help address the questions depending on the situation and time available. As the 7 questions grew out of the old Estimate, the tools and techniques remain largely the same, although the use of intuition and deduction remain pre-eminent.

    The planning starts with focussing on the ground and enemy. The Comd, having conducted mission analysis, then states the effects he wants to have on the enemy. These effects form the focus for the rest of the planning process, so it is vital that sufficient time is allocated to get this stage right.

    The use of graphical techniques and schematics is encouraged. They are an efficient way to record deductions from the analysis of the questions and with which to communicate the plan.

    Estimate products lead directly to the production of orders, as well as tools to assist the staff in the execution of the plan.

    If time is short, selective use of the tools and techniques is acceptable, so long as each of the 7 Questions are addressed, however briefly.

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    Top notch advice and guidance is always available from any of the CASTs.