I was rummaging through the ammunition draw at the club on Friday, and I came across the following unidentified 7.92 x 57 cartridges. Can any of the spotters on here help me to work out what on earth they are? Firstly (and probably the most simple, since I think I've work this one out already): Brass case, tombak/copper jacket. Head stamp: above primer -- K44 below primer -- 8IIZ all text oriented in the same direction. I suspect that this is BESA ammunition, Kynoch 1944, nitrocellulose propellant. Secondly: Copper-washed steel case, jacket is presumably also copper-washed steel (since it has exactly the same tint as the case so is probably not pure copper) primer is staked in 3 places 120Â° apart, and there is a green lacquer around the primer. Head stamp: text is arranged around the primer with the foot of the characters pointing towards the primer, and reads -- 38 38 P370 VIII w1 the roman numerals and the number 1 have a very heavy serif. The cartridges are on a Mauser-type but phosphated clip marked P32769 with the letter P having a heavy serif and being moderately ornate. Any ideas?