7.5% of those in Britain were born overseas.

#2
Awol said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4218740.stm

Well over a million immigrants in ten years.

Cultural diversity at any cost because it's a sacred cow that such diversity is a 'good thing'?

i for one will volunteer to be part of the extended line across the country, start at lands end and work up to john o groats and hoof the unworthy sponging ones amongst them out into the north sea/irish sea etc etc along the way.

im all for cultural diversity but we as a country are taking the p*ss letting any tom dick and harry in.

rant over!
 
#4
Compare this to the number of us who are currently residing in such places as Aus/NZ/US/etc - people migrate, fact of modern life.

Also contrast the immigrant African/Indian lawyer or doctor, etc with the home-grown chav/chavette - who contributes the most to our society ?

We of all people should be more tolerant/understanding than the average Joe. What are you scared of ?
 
#5
Goose_Rider said:
Compare this to the number of us who are currently residing in such places as Aus/NZ/US/etc - people migrate, fact of modern life.

Also contrast the immigrant African/Indian lawyer or doctor, etc with the home-grown chav/chavette - who contributes the most to our society ?

We of all people should be more tolerant/understanding than the average Joe. What are you scared of ?
if you read my post goose i said the sponging element that do nothing but claim money from us hard earners. i know that a vast majority of doctors and proffessionals are imigrants and that is fine. NZ, Oz, Canada etc etc are no go areas for us unless we can contribute to thier country. we however are not so good at sifting out the dross. the figure they quote will be the amount they can actually calculate. what about the illegals??

with a vast majority of drug dealing and criminal gangs in the major cities being from imigrant backgrounds you tell me why we should not be fairly concerned??
 
#6
Army Surplus Special/Awol,

Does this also apply to the various members of HM Forces who weren't born in the UK like myself? Almost half of these immigrants that were included in the 2001 Census were born in the Republic of Ireland. In my time in the navy and also working with the Army and also the Royal Air Farce, I have met only a few 1st Generation Irish but I have met countless second and third generation Irish. I'm sure if you employed the attitude that immigrants are not worthy of living in the UK, then HM Forces would be depleted as would the NHS and every corner of Industry. Immigrants who do fcuk all to contribute to the UK do grip my sh1t however you cannot bundle everyone into the same smelting pot. In the last census, there were 39 (give or take a few) different ethnic groups which was a vast jump from the census before that. A diversive society does reap benefits but does necessitate tolerance from ALL parts of society and also requires participation from all ethnic groups. Obviously there are certain groups in the UK that do fcuk all to integrate themselves which is completely wrong.
 
#7
ArmySurplusSpecial said:
Awol said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4218740.stm

Well over a million immigrants in ten years.

Cultural diversity at any cost because it's a sacred cow that such diversity is a 'good thing'?

i for one will volunteer to be part of the extended line across the country, start at lands end and work up to john o groats and hoof the unworthy sponging ones amongst them out into the north sea/irish sea etc etc along the way.

im all for cultural diversity but we as a country are taking the p*ss letting any tom dick and harry in.

rant over!
Call me old fashioned but...If you feel persecuted enough to leave your country, and you only feel safe if you left, and the first safe country should do? If your really legit..
Why then FFS, travel zillions of miles across oceans and continents to reach the UK until you feel safe? after passing through many SAFE countries, (last time I looked, Belgium, Germany, France and Holland (all with big multi-ethnic cultures) looked pretty safe to me) and the language isnt an issue, of course its got nothing to do with the size of benefits we hand out is it?
 
#8
7.53%? thats over 4,000,000 people......

No problem with immigration into Britain if they really wanna be British and contribute to the country

But I do have a problem if that is not their intent :?
 
#9
the_matelot said:
Army Surplus Special/Awol,

Does this also apply to the various members of HM Forces who weren't born in the UK like myself? Almost half of these immigrants that were included in the 2001 Census were born in the Republic of Ireland. In my time in the navy and also working with the Army and also the Royal Air Farce, I have met only a few 1st Generation Irish but I have met countless second and third generation Irish. I'm sure if you employed the attitude that immigrants are not worthy of living in the UK, then HM Forces would be depleted as would the NHS and every corner of Industry. Immigrants who do fcuk all to contribute to the UK do grip my sh1t however you cannot bundle everyone into the same smelting pot. In the last census, there were 39 (give or take a few) different ethnic groups which was a vast jump from the census before that. A diversive society does reap benefits but does necessitate tolerance from ALL parts of society and also requires participation from all ethnic groups. Obviously there are certain groups in the UK that do fcuk all to integrate themselves which is completely wrong.
matelot will you read what i actually wrote in my posts instead of between the lines and you will see that i actually agree with what your writing. as you have said, your in HM forces and obviously working hard for this country. you are not sponging therefore i have no issues at all.
 
#10
What gets me, is how do they all get in in the first place??? They've got it completely right in Oz, a points system, where education, skills etc.. are all taken into account, if you are not going to contribute, you simply wont get in!

Emptyeye is spot on, its all to do with the Uk being a soft touch to the ones who want an easy life. The perfect example being those cnuts that hijacked the plane at Stanstead a few years back, freed on a technicality, housing, benefits, cars & legal aid all supplied courtesy of joe taxpayer, wouldn't happen anywhere else would it??

Cultural diversity is truly a good thing, but if you're not integrating into the existing culture and contributing back to it, you should have size a 9 up your jacksy on the way out.

My missus is russian and we've jumped through hoops to get her residence legally, she works, pays tax, speaks the lingo. The sad fact is that there are probably more illegals here now, coming in on tourist and student visas, then simply staying on, or getting forged residence permits - not so difficult to get hold of i believe. Simply enough is not done by the immigration service to remove these people, but their excuse would no doubt be 'lack of resources', god forbid we discuss this subject in todays 'PC' gone mad culture of course.
 
#11
My problem is not with responsible immigration, it's with immigration on such a scale that whole cities lose the character that has defined them for hundreds of years. And before anyone points out that there has always been immigration, and that those immigrants have always added their own character to the melting pot, those immigrants have never comprised even 5% of the total city poplulation, never mind the 50% - 75% that we are now seeing, and that in just a few decades.

I'm sure these different cultures are all very worthy; but actually I quite like mine too, and in some places it is being submerged.
 
#12
Awol said:
My problem is not with responsible immigration, it's with immigration on such a scale that whole cities lose the character that has defined them for hundreds of years. And before anyone points out that there has always been immigration, and that those immigrants have always added their own character to the melting pot, those immigrants have never comprised even 5% of the total city poplulation, never mind the 50% - 75% that we are now seeing, and that in just a few decades.

I'm sure these different cultures are all very worthy; but actually I quite like mine too, and in some places it is being submerged.
Just had to add that No1 son (Plod with the Met) recenty had a chap (IRANIAN) come up to him at Kings Cross asking to be arrested as he was an illegal, he paid his money in IRAN to a "BRIT", said "BRIT" (of asian origin) said he would get him to London, drops him off in Dover town and says "heres london matey" and drives off, after many hours walking around "London" stangely cant find Trafalger Square, SOHO etc,...he gets a lift to the real London, cant speak the lingo too well, cant find brother IRANIANS as the address he had for a safe house was bogus, lives on the street for a week, gets fed up and ends up at Kings Cross wants to just go home...instead hes in trap 1 in some holding cell somewhere, and we are paying for his bed and 3 squares a day.

The moral is, there are Brits ( a loose term) who are happily doing the dirty on this country, it will always remind me of the reason they said they had an inner german border was to stop the west creeping into the east..excuse me, I never saw any western germans shot going INTO the east...
The austrian army patrols its borders and kicks out those illegals they find.and as Austria is land locked...that cant be easy..we are an island, why is it so hard? Thats easy to answer.....
 
#13
Awol said:
I'm sure these different cultures are all very worthy; but actually I quite like mine too, and in some places it is being submerged.
Agree with you completely there ... in some places, it's like being in a completely different country. And it's not a nice feeling.
 
#14
One interesting fact is that the countyr with the third highest numbers of immigrants is Germany -with 250k UK residents born in Germany compared to 300k from Pakistan and 450k from India.

Radio 4 analysis attributed this to large numbers of offspring of British Forces in Germany, who are classed as immigrants for this survey. I thought that looked high. But I guess if there were about 100k people in BFG, mostly young couples then I guess they might produce 5-10k kids a year, enough to skew the stats.

Hmm so a slice of the people posting here have either bred immigrants or be classed as "immigrants " themselves. Anyone from the immigrant minority like to comment?
 
#15
Quote from Beeb:

Germany appears high in the list - but many of these people are children of British forces personnel stationed in that country.
I think the survey is flawed as it does not deal just with immigrants but also British citizens born abroad including Pads brats, who are by definition not immigrants.
 
#16
Pteranadon said:
One interesting fact is that the countyr with the third highest numbers of immigrants is Germany -with 250k UK residents born in Germany compared to 300k from Pakistan and 450k from India.

Radio 4 analysis attributed this to large numbers of offspring of British Forces in Germany, who are classed as immigrants for this survey. I thought that looked high. But I guess if there were about 100k people in BFG, mostly young couples then I guess they might produce 5-10kids a year, enough to skew the stats.

Hmm so a slice of the people posting here have either bred immigrants or be classed as "immigrants " themselves. Anyone from the immigrant minority like to comment?
My sprogs may have been born in Germany but in a Brit Mil Hospital, therfore not making any impact on the economy of BFG. They are not immigrants, I was posted there, I had to be there, (althought it was a bloody great laugh)

Once born, registered back in the UK with a British Birth Certificate.

Nibble over
 
#17
Fuchs66 said:
Quote from Beeb:

Germany appears high in the list - but many of these people are children of British forces personnel stationed in that country.
I think the survey is flawed as it does not deal just with immigrants but also British citizens born abroad including Pads brats, who are by definition not immigrants.
Agreed. You and I think that pads brats shoulod be classed as British Citizens. But that isn't quite how the Home Office saw things for this period.

Captain Warwick Strong, 29, whose father and grandfather were both colonels in the Army and held British citizenship, served with the Royal Artillery for four years. He was born in Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe, where his parents were living at the time, and came to Britain on an ancestral visa, which has been renewed until October 2006.

But despite being praised for his military record, he has been told by the Home Office that he does not qualify for citizenship partly because of his absence from the country as a result of being posted abroad.

Qualification for a passport demands that the applicant must not be out of the country for more than 90 days the year before applying. http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002522.html
In any event, the stats flashed around INCLUDEs this 250k. So any assmptions and based on these figures need to bear in mind the caveat that a large slice of "immigrants" may be children of British citizens abroad and may not have massivbe assimiliation problems ... (Though it is a moot point whether the BFG Garrison life is any less alien than india ;) )
 
#18
I feel that we do need responsible immigration - as AWOL says. Being one of those "immigrants" myself, I feel quite strongly about adopting the customs and practises of my "new" country. The fact that I have lived here for almost 20 years kind of underpins that. I don't go around asking for special treatment, just fair treatment and access to all the opportunities that are offered to all British Citizens.

My part of the deal is that I will be a loyal and dedicated citizen - and no where do I prove that more than in almost a decade's service in the British Army. (I qualified for citizenship before that though!). I do not approve of those who wish to set up a mirror image of their countries of origin in Britain, however, I wish for my (and their) cultural origins to be respected.

The current situation of parallel cultures and communities to me is contrary to why I emigrated here.
 
#19
Seven and a half percent. That is very low. I suppose it was inevitable the usual suspects would try to turn it into a scare story.

Here's where the immigrants came from:

TOP BIRTH PLACES 2001
Rep Ireland: 494,850
India: 466,416
Pakistan: 320,767
Germany: 262,276
Caribbean: 254,740
USA: 155,030
Bangladesh: 154,201
South Africa: 140,201
Kenya: 129,356
Italy: 107,002

As for 'whole cities losing their character', what is a city, if not a reflection of those who live there? New Delhi was (still is) very British in character, as were so many cities throughout the Empire.
 
#20
There is a big problem with any requirment for immigrants to "conform to British customs". Its impossible to agree or define what "British Customs" someone should conform to.

- Binge drinking, hooliganism and a tendancy to strike have been distinclty British customs, but surely not those which should be mandatory for immigrants?

- A lot of "British" customs are imports or adopted fromimmigrants. So if you want to be really British you might like to forswear... curry, kebabs,polo, hockey pyjamas bungalows jazz, reggae or blues music -as well as the English language itself.

- In different parts of the UK there are people whose customs include cursing the pope, refusal to swear allegance to the Queen, speaking welsh or wearing thin revealling sportswear as evening wear. The United Kingdom is a grouping of three countries a principality and some islands each with a distinct identy. Our customs have emerged by NOT asking too many questions about what it means to be British, becase that can start a fight. Attempts to try and enforce a common "British" culture have generally been disasterous, e.g. King Charles' attemtps to enforce a common middle ground religion on the Englsih and Scots.

We are a mongrel race and its what makes us good. Learn to live with it. Immigration is good for the economy. With an aging population its even more important. When you are old you will be begging for more young immigrants to pay taxes so you can draw your pension - even if you were promosed an index linked army one..
 

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