60 found dead in Baghdad

Goatman

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#1
Sorry if this is a duplicate. I searched ARRSE in vain for mention of these deaths....is it just me ? If we go into one when one of our brave brothers-or sisters in arms cops it HOW can we not feel outrage?

If the British Army was responsible for the security of Baghdad someone would have been sacked by now....this is an absolute bloody OUTRAGE and we should not ignore it....each of these men and women were equally PEOPLE, with families and friends who are now mourning them....

Shooting victims found in Baghdad
Iraqi police say they have found in the space of one day 60 bodies of people bound, tortured and shot in the capital, Baghdad.
They were found all over the city, from Sunni areas in the west to Shia districts in the east - but most were found in largely Sunni west Baghdad.

Sectarian killings are not unusual in the city but this is a large number for one day, a BBC correspondent says.

Meanwhile, car bombs killed at least 22 people in Baghdad.

One device near the national sports stadium in the eastern Shaab district exploded in a parked car during the morning rush hour, killing 14 people including two policemen and wounding at least 57.

A bomb later went off near a police patrol in the Zayona district, also in the east, killing eight people and injuring at least 17.


In other developments


A mortar attack in central Baghdad wounded at least one policeman and several civilians

The US military announced the death of an American soldier wounded by "enemy action" in Anbar province
Fifteen of the bodies found by police were discovered in eastern Baghdad where most of the city's Shia live.

Police have not been able to identify any of the 60, let alone say whether they are Shia or Sunni, the BBC's James Shaw reports.

Nor have they been able to explain what seems to be a sudden increase in sectarian violence, he adds.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/middle_east/5340954.stm



Don Cabra
 
#2
Man's inhumanity to man makes countless thousands mourn!
- Robert Burns




Sadly countless millions mourn...

Rest In Peace all who die at the hands of others.
 
#3
Well said Goatman. The scale of death and the denial that a civil war is being fought right now, points to dead Iraqi's being regarded as nothing more than statistics in the wider world.

Every single dead Iraqi is fuelling the hate.
 
#4
PartTimePongo said:
Well said Goatman. The scale of death and the denial that a civil war is being fought right now, points to dead Iraqi's being regarded as nothing more than statistics in the wider world.

Every single dead Iraqi is fuelling the hate.
It's insane what's happening. I don't know if the Brits could do any better than the Americans, because the situation is being smoke-screened by the US Army PAO

http://michaelyon-online.com/wp/precarious-road.htm
 

Goatman

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#5
Chief_Joseph said:
PartTimePongo said:
Well said Goatman. The scale of death and the denial that a civil war is being fought right now, points to dead Iraqi's being regarded as nothing more than statistics in the wider world.

Every single dead Iraqi is fuelling the hate.
It's insane what's happening. I don't know if the Brits could do any better than the Americans, because the situation is being smoke-screened by the US Army PAO

http://michaelyon-online.com/wp/precarious-road.htm
Wings, I don't know that the Brits COULD do any better. Baghdad is a city of 8 Million people. We put 14,000 people on the streets in Northern Ireland ( Total Pop 1.7M Source: http://www.nisra.gov.uk/archive/demography/publications/pr_mye_2005.pdf ) and the war went on for thirty years.


IF Michael Yon can't get an embed with USFOR maybe he should try with one of the Coalition HQs.....people keep reminding me that there is a British contingent in Baghdad too.


Le Chevre
 
#7
Average death toll per MONTH is 1000.

Yes that does read one thousand deaths per month.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/press/pr13.php

And does anyone really give a fcuk? Is this headline news?

No wonder they hate us and all we stand for.
 

LIMA

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#8
Steven said:
Average death toll per MONTH is 1000.

Yes that does read one thousand deaths per month.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/press/pr13.php

And does anyone really give a fcuk? Is this headline news?

No wonder they hate us and all we stand for.

Well said.....the last 2 lines of your post just about sum it up - maybe someone should tell bliar and dubya in the same words!
 
#9
LIMA said:
Steven said:
Average death toll per MONTH is 1000.

Yes that does read one thousand deaths per month.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/press/pr13.php

And does anyone really give a fcuk? Is this headline news?

No wonder they hate us and all we stand for.

Well said.....the last 2 lines of your post just about sum it up - maybe someone should tell bliar and dubya in the same words!
Hmmmm

I wonder how many Iraqbodycount would have counted on saddams unhappy days?????
 
#10
Ive spent the last 2 1/2 years working in and around Baghdad. The situation security wise has always been bad and getting worse from late 03.

The average death toll quoted in the press is actually a lot worse. Bodies turn up in mass graves all the time. Left on sidewalks and dumped in rubbish tips etc. The hospital morgues are overflowing most of the time. You could double the average death tolls quoted and not go far wrong.

The sheer doggedness of the average Iraqi citizen never ceases to amaze me. Working with many locals on a daily basis, many have chosen to fly their loved ones to safety in Syria/Jordan. Theyre the lucky ones, the ones that cant afford the extortionate airline prices out of Baghdad international airport will plod on as usual. Having put up with a murdering dictator a despised occupation and now caught in the middle of a bloody insurgency with the sole aim of dragging the remains of the country into a civil war, i can see the point in many choosing to leave.

The emphasis on causing coalition casualties now takes second priority in the insurgency. Coalition troops are still dieing on a daily basis, however its becoming less common to score spectacular attacks against them. The changes in coalition tactics, better defended locations and rapid mobilisation of Iraqi security forces have helped. Gone are the days especially in Baghdad of large insurgent groups moving with impunity and launching attacks wherever they choose.

The drawback to this is now its a lot easier to further destabilise the security situation by dragging the country into a bitter civil war. Something the coalition would find very difficult if not impossible to contain. Civilian targets are always an easy option, why have 40+ insurgents to ambush a coalition convoy when 1 can place a device in a civilian market? This is Zarqawi's legacy, the man may be long gone but his plan survives.

NI has already been mentioned. A small country that took a massive chunk of boots on the ground to even remotely secure it. Back in the 70's even that was touch and go with loyalist/republican murder squads cruising Belfast trying to drag the country into a bitter civil war.
 

Goatman

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Sven said:
Hmmmm

I wonder how many Iraqbodycount would have counted on saddams unhappy days?????
Er...which as I seem to recall was EXACTLY why we toppled the loathsome turd.

Latest pronouncements in the courtroom farce make my stomach churn.....put him underground NOW and move on. While Saddam lives there will be no peace and no return to 'normality ' for Baghdad or Iraq.
 
#13
Goatman said:
Sven said:
Hmmmm

I wonder how many Iraqbodycount would have counted on saddams unhappy days?????
Er...which as I seem to recall was EXACTLY why we toppled the loathsome turd.

Latest pronouncements in the courtroom farce make my stomach churn.....put him underground NOW and move on. While Saddam lives there will be no peace and no return to 'normality ' for Baghdad or Iraq.
Some how I think the 'innormality' would continue even with Saddam gone. It's sectarian warfare, early Beirut 1970s style.
 
#15
Goatman said:
Sven said:
Hmmmm

I wonder how many Iraqbodycount would have counted on saddams unhappy days?????
Er...which as I seem to recall was EXACTLY why we toppled the loathsome turd.

Latest pronouncements in the courtroom farce make my stomach churn.....put him underground NOW and move on. While Saddam lives there will be no peace and no return to 'normality ' for Baghdad or Iraq.
I agree with Castlereagh, its not about Saddam anymore, if it ever was outside of the initial invasion.

Hate to say it, but the loathsome turd did a better job than is being done currently.
 

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#16
Zoid said:
I agree with Castlereagh, its not about Saddam anymore, if it ever was outside of the initial invasion.

Hate to say it, but the loathsome turd did a better job than is being done currently.
That kind of thinking - " He might be a bastard - but by God he's OUR bastard " is what found us training Iraqi pilots prior to GW1.

( and supporting Galtieri with arms prior to to 1982)


I agree that the Shia-Sunni strife would continue - but the fear of Saddam is STILL a potent factor.....chop him now and be done with this pointless farce.

Le Chevre
 
#17
Goatman said:
Zoid said:
I agree with Castlereagh, its not about Saddam anymore, if it ever was outside of the initial invasion.

Hate to say it, but the loathsome turd did a better job than is being done currently.
That kind of thinking - " He might be a fatherless - but by God he's OUR fatherless " is what found us training Iraqi pilots prior to GW1.

( and supporting Galtieri with arms prior to to 1982)


I agree that the Shia-Sunni strife would continue - but the fear of Saddam is STILL a potent factor.....chop him now and be done with this pointless farce.

Le Chevre
Talking to a member of the pre-inavsion History department of Baghdad university (which has now been reconstituted in Amman!). Saddam has lost all his potency, the only thing that vaguely interests the populace about Saddam is his soap opera of trial!
 

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Talking to a member of the pre-inavsion History department of Baghdad university (which has now been reconstituted in Amman!). Saddam has lost all his potency, the only thing that vaguely interests the populace about Saddam is his soap opera trial
Uh-huh....speaking from the safety of Amman ?...Right.... I doubt that is the response you would get from a Kurd in Kirkuk or a Shia in Karbala.

Maybe three years since his capture Saddam is no longer the bogeyman. (December 15 2003 - how many British and US servicemen have died since then ?)

The Americans will NOT hand him over to Iraqi custody for fear he will reinvent himself.

I have often thought, since that day, that the US SF guys who pulled him out of the spider-hole were just doing their duty - but maybe they should have just double-tapped him when they had the opportunity.

Le Chevre
 
#20
Awol said:
Steven said:
Average death toll per MONTH is 1000.

Yes that does read one thousand deaths per month.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/press/pr13.php

And does anyone really give a fcuk? Is this headline news?

No wonder they hate us and all we stand for.
What sort of warped world do you live in Steven, when you don't blame the murderers, but you blame the people who are dying trying to prevent the murders?
The perception on the street is that these deaths would not have happened if we had not totally fcuked up their country in the first place.

Now that is a bit of blinkered thinking by those affected but the deaths and atrocities commited by Saddam and his friends were either hidden away, a long way away, done to those that "deserved" it or any one of a host of other explainations that the average Achmid in the street could accept. Plus I don't think that even on Saddams best day that he had 35 dead bodies lying around in the street every single day of the month.
 

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