58 Pattern webbing

BBear

LE
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#1
I've been asked by a younger friend of mine to assemble a set of 58 pattern webbing - but I've forgotten how!

Does anyone have a set of instructions, or know where to get them from? I've lost my old cadet manual so that's no good. I've tried googling but no joy there.

Thanks! :idea:
 
#3
It ain't rocket science!

(Though this is probably a warrh)

The belt goes around your waist (let's start with the basics), ammo pouches on either end, (don't mix the left with right 'cos you might aswell biro 'twat' on your forehead if you do).

Water bottle next on what ever side you want, kidneys at the bag, poncho roll clips on either above or below them. Yoke attaches to ammos at the front and the belt at rear somehwere around the kidney clips.


But why on earth are they after 58?
 
#4
When it's all fitted run throught the undergrowth and remind yourself of the good old days of snagging and being really uncomfortable! Stick a KF shirt on for more effect, pref. a new one, unshaved! Oh and some puttees, I've a pair unused for 20 years! Tin lid? Oh, you must get yourself one of those woks! With any luck a 'mate' will remove the inner for you leaving you the pleasure of the dancing prod at the top of your head!
 
#5
you'd be better off binning it or consigning it to a museum & getting some cheap used PLCE mate.
however, here goes:

get the belt, adjust to size & take back off.
lay it on the floor/table, little pouch hook pockets upper most,
the two metal rings downwards.
get the yoke, lay it above the belt with the shovel attachment down
(the inside of the yoke should be facing upwards & the pair of metal c-hooks on each back strap closest to the belt)

place the metal c-hooks on the yoke into the pockets on the belt, 1 pair either side of each of the metal rings on the belt.
the yoke back straps should now be fixed to the rear of the belt
(slightly splayed outwards).

kidney pouches-place underneath the junction of the rear yoke straps & rear of belt, belt loops uppermost, facing you-you will see you have 2 vertical loops (the belt goes throught these by undoing the loops & refastening, then bend the end of retainer in towards yourself or it will undo itself) & 1 horizontal loop(the rear yoke strap goes under this, refasten, then double the horizontal loop back over & under its metal rings or it will come undone) per kidney pouch .

Poncho roll - place with the 'pick head holder' on the outside of the roll facing down & the 2 metal clips on top closest to the belt.
run each metal clip under the vertical belt loop retainer on each kidney pouch & clip onto the metal ring below the rear of the belt.

by this point, depending how old/used your webbing is, you should have soure hands/fingers from bending & forceing the metal clips around & into the pockets on the belt.
Phew, with me so far? :? told you you ought to bin it!
right, I'm off for a brew. TBC. :)
 
#6
I'll take over...

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#7
58 Webbing tips

You can fit several rolled up jazz mags in the poncho roll, and if you sew elastic into the lid of the respirator pouch, you can fit a very small jazz mag (such as Forum or Stroke Letters) into the top and use the elastic to hold the pages open.

If you have a 349 pouch, you can place a pair of soiled ladies underwear in it. Position the gusset by the opening for the controls so that you can turn your head for an occassional sniff.
 

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LE
Kit Reviewer
#10
BBear said:
I've been asked by a younger friend of mine to assemble a set of 58 pattern webbing - but I've forgotten how!
When were you issued 58 Patt ?

I don't understand how do anyone can forget how their webbing goes together, or is this a result of too many South American sherbet fountains ?
 
#11
Fifth_Columnist said:
You don't need it - you put your .303 'pigsticker' in the bayonet-holder sewn to the side of your left ammo pouch...
I was talking about the SLR bayonet.

.303 went out before my time - sorry ;)
 
#12
DocSTAB said:
I'll take over...

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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!
:D :D
GOOD DRILLS MATE! :)
 
#13
AH, Memories of my STAB infantry course at ITC Catterick (that was a f###ing dump & anall! :x ) . 2RRW, one of the last battlions in the British Army to have plce issued issue. me & 3 other lads go up with just the issue kit as recruits of course, to a aman every one else in our company had the then new plce - F###ing great! we were visably the slowest all the time. :(
f###ing '58 patt! :x

BBear, you and or your mate cadets are yuh to still have this canvas cr#p?
 

BBear

LE
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#14
It's all he's allowed to wear - apparently he got taught how to but he forgot when they took it all back apart, moron. I want to get it sorted so I can actually teach him!

Cheers for all the replies, esp' press it! Although I am very tempted to do what Docstab suggests! Bloody nuisance that it is.

But just wondering - on the kidney pouches; ive attached them to the belt with the fastners and threaded the strip of material through them - but I'm still left with an extra strip and another metal loop. I've threaded the loop onto the 1st strip, and the other strip to the loops on the top of the pouch. Is this correct.
 
#15
The SLR bayonet scabard fitted into the holder built onto the left side (IIRC) ammo pouch. The other pouch had an Energa grenade pounch on it, though this was commonly used as a KFS pouch.
 
#16
BBear said:
But just wondering - on the kidney pouches; ive attached them to the belt with the fastners and threaded the strip of material through them - but I'm still left with an extra strip and another metal loop. I've threaded the loop onto the 1st strip, and the other strip to the loops on the top of the pouch. Is this correct.
kidney pouches-you have on each pouch 2x vertical loops that are secured by a thick strip of webbing (the retainer tab), yeah. the 2 loops go over the belt & on to a oblong metal ring each, then the retainer tab goes through these to secure the loops plus through the third oblong metal ring (which I've never been able to work out the purpose of)
the end of the retainer tab that you poked through the oblong metal rings bend inwards away from pouch to stop from coming undone.
the opposite end of the retainer has a metal loop, which again seems to be useless. another strip of webbing comes off this at right angels & goes horizontaly through the oblong metal rings above belt level to hold the upper part of the pouches to the rear yoke straps. double back these retainer tabs over the first metal ring & through the second, again to stop them coming undone.

right where were we, ah yes:
the water bottle pouch:
choose which side you are going to put it. now the trick is to get this pouch as close to the kidney pouches ass poss to slightly reduce pouch bounce. put the lower c-hooks around the lower belt into the appropriate little pockets, then bend the belt down to get the upper 2 c-hooks over the top of the belt & place them into the upper little pockets.

Ammo pouches:
put the left on the left side & the right on the right side ass has been mentioned, or you look like a d##k! when worn correctly, they should be angled outwards.
secure each in the same fashion as the water bottle pouch, make sure there is no gap between the ammo & bottle pouch-get them ass close as poss, even having some c-hooks sharing little pockets if you can. difficult, but do-able.

now the two straps on the side of the poncho roll come around & attach to the metal rings on the lower outside corner of the ammo pouches. inability to do this as they are on the wrong side also will indicate that you are a d##k & the ammo pouches are the on wrong sides!

get 5 million bungees & bungee every thing together so it does not bounce around to the extent as to throw you off balance when running, though you then take twice as long to get anything in or out of your kit (cant be helped) & you are sorted. oh, & don't get it wet for f###s sake.

to make it usable, if allowed:
bin the ammo pouches & replace with 3 or 4 US Alice ammo pouches for 3 quid each or so.
bin the kidney pouches & poncho roll, replace with loads of water bottle pouches & a day sack. sew or rivet all the pouches together once you are happy with the setup. cut off the shovel attachment on the top of the yoke back as this digs into your back when wearing a bergan/daysack. attach bungee cord or elastic around the outside for foliage.

wala! you are lucky I am in work BBear, or there would be no chance of me typing all this sh##! :) hope it helps a bit mate.
 

BBear

LE
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#17
Cheers press_it! Thats it all sorted now. I owe you a pint. I cant work out the point of the extra loops either!

He's a cadet who's just started at acf - apparently he got given all the parts and got shown how to put it together and take it apart, but he wasn't allowed to take it home in one piece (something about cleaning it?) So now it's fallen to me. Cheers for all the advice though!

Just wanted to add - there seems to be an assumption that I was, or have been, a serving soldier; I haven't. I want to dispell any potential growth for any waltish behaviour!
 
#18
no probs mate. its given me something to do for 30 mins or so!

cadets & the putting together of '58 webbing just dont go together at all. you can show them, show them again & again but they just don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that there are no buttons you have to push & no short cuts or cheats, you have to follow the sequence & grab the stuff & force it together in some circumstances, ass it can be very stubon.

the ATC Sqn I assist has about 10 sets of it & 6 of PLCE that the cdts loan for shoting weekends & similar.
I keep all the sets together in their own plce bergans & they sign a compleat assembled set out & return as the same. it would be great for them to be able to assemble the stuff, but then again it is just not worth the hassle for the staff, you get it together, ffs keep it together, please! 8O
 

BBear

LE
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#19
I agree! I quite like the way the plce sets fit together - I bought a set off an ex-gunner and it did me brilliantly - I'd like to take it to otc or (hopefully!) regs.

My old cadet unit used to let anyone use whatever they want within reason, so a few guys had og webbing, others had chest rigs and some even had assualt vests. I'd prefer cadets to all have chest rigs as then its just "whack it on, tighten, go on" rather than risk pouches come undone etc. There were huge boxes full of different pouches of various 58 parts, but these were never used. Probably for the same reasons you've just said!
 
#20
our senior bods get the plce sets, the juniors get the '58 patt.
if they want to buy and use assault vests, we have no problem with that.
 

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