500 t.a bods leaving every month!

thought it was getting a bit quiet on a tuesday night? well this is why, im not sure what the recruitment numbers are but following an o.c's interview for re-enlistment i expressed my concers about the lack of manpower. it was he who informed me about the number of people leaving the t.a each month.
your comments on this please
Thee are a couple of very good threads about this subject so look around and see what comments you observe. Perhaps your views on why so many6 are leaving, would be a good starter.
Remember, most units allow troops to be paper strength after their kit is handed in until their reenlistment comes up. Hence you can have a "110% manned" subunit which fields a section.

The actual strength of the TA is currently really small, how small I'll let you speculate....
Surely for ever 500 that leave 500 must join? A little like the regs I suppose, but I maybe wrong?
I take it this figure is across the board. Could it be possible to break the numbers down and then look at the problem, ie are people dropping out due to the elongated recruit training system or are particular units leaking manpower like a prossies puss ?
Historically though, the TA has always turned over Bods at a Rapid rate, going back well over a decade in my personal experience
Yes the TA has always had a big turnover, but never as big as at this time. I am not surprised. On top of that, a lot of personnel are taking long leave of absence. My unit is currently being decimated by people leaving and just not turning up and although this is not the forum to say why, I know this sort of problem seems to be becoming endemic. I note a couple of threads that have been very frank about retention.
My own views on this are:

The physical requirements are increasing. CFT weights are being brought in line with the regulars, and the length is being increased from 4 to 6 miles in the next year. In 2007 the length will be 8 miles. The people who have never managed to get the mile and a half in under 13:45 are coming under increased pressure to shape up, and some are now not progressing past phase 1 training.

Higher numbers of people are being mobilised, in more critical conflict areas, and they are expected to perform at full efficiency. Some people, after two or three tours, just feel that they have done their fair share. After all, it soon adds up to years of active service without pension
with your primary career on hold. Family life suffers, financially you suffer and you still get labeled a STAB by the regulars.

Recruitment drives are at a higher level, with greater saturation on the public conciseness, which leads to greater numbers through the doors. Higher numbers means more people drop out. Training teams get isolated and bored, and suffer because of it.

The OTC has high numbers of people who are just in it for the extra cash for University, and don't see any sort of career in the armed forces. One the final term is finished, they quit and get a day job that they see more of a future in.

I expect that the retention levels will stabilise after a few years, when the changes the TA is currently undergoing finish and people are comfortable. After all, the service has been around for a while now and it will always have a core of hard working and dedicated staff.
Heard recently

"You! How many people in a section?"

" Err, two Staff?"

"Two, TWO?! What army do you serve in?"

*Cue group laughter*

"In the Territorial Staff"

*Laughter stops*

"Good point. Actually it should be eight ok?"
milkandcheese said:
My own views on this are:

I expect that the retention levels will stabilise after a few years, when the changes the TA is currently undergoing finish and people are comfortable. After all, the service has been around for a while now and it will always have a core of hard working and dedicated staff.
However, what levels will they stabilise at?

The TA is currently less than 20,000 strong, including OTC's and NRPS by Hansard for 02 FEB 06:


"Lies, Damned lies and Statistics"

Read further on down the Hansard link you posted.

Establishment 41,610
Strength 36,180

your less than 20,000 figure... "as at 1 April 2005, 19,290 officers and soldiers were declared as trained. It is this which determines whether an member of the TA may be called up for deployment."

Don't forget the maximum call up is for 12 months in any 36 month period. The best part of 20,000 may be trained, but they are not all eligible for call up.

However you slice it and dice it, the figures don't make for happy reading.

I sat down with one of the best recruiters I have worked with, and discussed this very issue. It would take too long to write down everything, but here goes.

1. No incentive for new recruits or soldiers. Bounty is NOT an incentive. Look at the USNG as an example of encouragement
2. Chain of command. I cannot comment on this, for fear of reprisals.
3. Officers. Few if any have real experience and very few have been mobilised and of whats left, most would be too dangerous in a combat environment, or could not hack it. Some outstanding officers and if I get my hand out of my pocket, I could probably name more than 5. Lose the respect of the chain of command and you're finished
4. Drill nights. Little variation.
5. Information dissemination. We both agree that ARRSE teaches us more about the TA than any other forum
6. Weekend training. Still stuck in the cold war form of training. Still camming up in built-up areas, and not with urban cam.
7. Adventure training. Twice in 5 years is unacceptable. Realize some units are very pro-active. Some aint.
8. PSI's. We have both worked with some outstanding PSIs and some total t*ssers. For some it is a commitment to work as hard as possible to bring standards up, for some it is a tick in the box and an idle life, playing golf and skiving.
9. Socialising. We could not be derogetory about this as recently our unit has become quite sociable. However, before, it was non-existant.
10. Fizz. Fizz HAS to be built into the training regime as some peoples lives are extremely busy.
11. Lack of government support. Self-explanatory.

Conclusions. Not all the above points refer to our unit directly, but some views are gathered from either ARRSE or talking to other people
Interesting stats Sapukay,

Only 12,000 personnel fit for deployment seems a bit low, i wonder what the difference between "fit for role" and "fit for deployment" is. As practically every unit in the TA is signed off as "Fit for Role", i suspect the difference is a major one.
As I said before, wrong LSN, wrong trade, not qualified, recruit, single parent, officer, job wont release, over-age limit, or just avoiding mobilisition which seems too easy these days. odd really, I wanted to get mobilised but no job vacancies in my line of work.

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