50% of under 35s are on incapacity benefit.

#1
Just listening to Radio 5 and they had a segment saying that.

It seems the total risen from 600.000 15 years ago to 1.8 million today. Apparently 1 million of those are in for a rather rude awakening as incapacity benefit is higher than unemployment benefit and also raises the longer you are on it and its costing too much. But that is to stop and the new system has a fixed rate.

Also they are aiming to get that 1 million skivers either in a job or on unemployment benefit.

Obviously the system has been used to skew unemployment figures but now even this fcuked up government realises that 13 billion pounds a year is unsustainable.

What a bummer for Sven. :lol:
 
#2
I'm tempted to believe that 50% of under 35s are incapable. The number of folk who are capable of expressing a coherent thought, let alone acting on it, seems to be inversely proportional to age. Where the hell are all these lunatics going to find someone gullible enough to employ them?

I hear Mrs Windsor's hiring...

Carrots, (aged 37 ¾).
 
#3
smartascarrots said:
I'm tempted to believe that 50% of under 35s are incapable. The number of folk who are capable of expressing a coherent thought, let alone acting on it, seems to be inversely proportional to age. Where the hell are all these lunatics going to find someone gullible enough to employ them?

I hear Mrs Windsor's hiring...

Carrots, (aged 37 ¾).

My bold: "Do you want fries with that?" :wink:
 
#4
smartascarrots said:
I'm tempted to believe that 50% of under 35s are incapable. The number of folk who are capable of expressing a coherent thought, let alone acting on it, seems to be inversely proportional to age. Where the hell are all these lunatics going to find someone gullible enough to employ them?

I hear Mrs Windsor's hiring...

Carrots, (aged 37 ¾).
Without a doubt 50% of people working for Radio Five Live are incapable.
 
#5
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23430628-details/Half+a+million+young+people+'too+sick+to+work'+are+claiming+benefits/article.do


".....figures from the Department for Work and Pensions obtained by the Financial Times show that last May

504,000 people below the age of 35 were claiming incapacity benefit or severe disablement allowance compared with

443,000 claiming jobseeker's allowance."


Typically people are being signed off from work by doctors with stress or depresssion.

There are now fears that instead of the problem easing as older workers on benefits begin receiving pensions, many more young people than expected will also become claimants.

Paul Bivand, a welfare-to-work expert at Inclusion, a think-tank, said: "There is a second generation of people coming onto incapacity benefits for mental reasons. This may well be related to ingrained hopelessness in particular areas."


And voting patterns in those areas would be, oohhh, let me guess............

Nu Liarbor has dumped so much money into the client state that they have bred another and bigger generation of those who have never worked and simply never want to.

So no less than 300,000 are claiming on grounds of "mental and behavioural disorders"? Handy, that.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/679f764c-b99e-11dc-bb66-0000779fd2ac.html
 
#6
I thought that the 'New' Labour regime had created a 'knowledge economy' - how 'incapacitated' do you have to be unable to sit in a call centre.

The sooner benefits were turned back into enough for subsistence rather than sufficient to allow an elective, alternative lifestyle, the sooner a few more sponging, workshy layabouts would get their backsides out to work.

Surely it isn't impossible to sort out the deserving disabled from the undeserving idle?
 
#7
"What a bummer for Sven. "

Sven's under 35???
 
#8
Story in the FT

link

www.ft.com/cms/s/0/400091b8-b96f11dc-bb66-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

Beats being on the dole,you don't have to bother to get up to sign on every 2 weeks,and there's more money than plain old jobseeker's allowance.

All they have to do is fool(or bung )their GP into sign them off with some imaginary ailment.Apparently stress is one of the latest ones.

More rigourous tests seem to be required by government appointed doctors.

Then again,maybe the Dept of work and Pensions just want to sweep the problem under the carpet.
 
#9
bigbird67 said:
"What a bummer for Sven. "

Sven's under 35???
No but after eight years on benefits I think he is about to get a rather rude awakening.
 
#10
As a copper I come in daily contact with the Welfare Class and I have thought for a long time now that not only are these people unemployed but they are totally f**king unemployable! I wouldn't trust these morons to deliver milk, never mind work in a call centre which at the very least demands some ability to communicate verbally with other human beings. They are untrustworthy, unreliable and as a rule depressingly uneducated. A complete absence of social skills and an awareness of the world as it exists beyond the end of their street is the norm. These people are regressing, de-evolving almost, and within the next generation will have become completely feral. How in name of Jesus we are going to deal with them I honestly do not know. And if that thought wasn't depressing enough, the b*st*rds are breeding!!
 
#11
This grips my sh!t that we pay taxes for spongers. I was going to write to the DSS and ask them to provide a few of the fatherless on incapacity benefit and a birch to me at 16:30 each Friday so I could trash some well being into them.

The DSS should also look at Doctors who have a high level of spongers and suggest strongly that they need ot either shape up or get struck off for malpractice.

Benefits should be earned not taken for granted!
 
#12
i think that should read, 50% of those on incapacity benefit are under 35, which is very different from the other way around!!!

There are approx 26m under 35 in UK!!!

(edited to add approx 12m between age 16-35, but that would still = 6m on incapacity benefits.... )
 
#13
Le_addeur_noir said:
Story in the FT

Then again,maybe the Dept of work and Pensions just want to sweep the problem under the carpet.
........but they have to find immigrant labour to do that - you just can't get the quality from our indigineous labour force.
 
#14
romach said:
This grips my sh!t that we pay taxes for spongers. I was going to write to the DSS and ask them to provide a few of the fatherless on incapacity benefit and a birch to me at 16:30 each Friday so I could trash some well being into them.

The DSS should also look at Doctors who have a high level of spongers and suggest strongly that they need ot either shape up or get struck off for malpractice.

Benefits should be earned not taken for granted!
You're on the wrong thread, romach.

BTW best place to look for spongers? The media.
 
#15
goon_bde said:
i think that should read, 50% of those on incapacity benefit are under 35, which is very different from the other way around!!!

There are approx 26m under 35 in UK!!!

(edited to add approx 12m between age 16-35, but that would still = 6m on incapacity benefits.... )
You're probably quite right, I obviously missheard. :oops:
 

hogg

Old-Salt
#16
This whole issue depresses me.
Now, let's see if I can get a Dr's appointment.
 
#17
Le_addeur_noir said:
Story in the FT

More rigourous tests seem to be required by government appointed doctors.
When they introduced Incapacity Benefit it was supposed to get round the problems of Invalidity - I've got a tape of the first doctors they employed talking about their job, and footage of them assessing people. Of the (I think) six doctors featured, one was actually prepared to do the job he was being paid for, in other words apply the rules as laid down by parliament. The rest said, "Oh, I wouldn't like to take away the little bit he has coming in", "Who's going to employ him?", "He looks older than 41, don't you think?" It was a f*****g farce, and the doctors should have been sacked. I've a pal who has been on incapacity/invalidity for nearly 20 years. Don't wash or shave for a week every two years, piss yourself the day before your appointment and let it dry.....the last time the female doctor didn't even let him sit down. "That's fine Mr Namewithheldforlegalreasons, have another two years". Incapacity, council tax benefit and housing benefit - about £700 a month. If you get Disability Living Allowance and the other £25 you get for receiving two or more benefits you are looking at well over a grand a month. You would need a million in index-linked gilts to receive the same income. A total joke and nobody will bite the bullet and do anything about it. Every time they talk about reform the TV finds some severely disabled person (usually blind) who is worried about their benefits. They don't go to the Goose pub in Union Street in Glasgow and look at the wall to wall neds getting pissed in the middle of the day on your coin.
 
#18
most GP's will sign some one off its easy and getting punched in the face isn't on there job description :x
if someones unskilled and unwilling most employers aren't going to bother and if your looking at minimum wage temp jobs motivation is going to be slightly lacking.
a job does more for someones mental health than any amount of drugs
 
#19
I have always thought that anyone suffering depression is better off working and doing something positive, am I alone in this thought?
 
#20
King_of_the_Burpas said:
romach said:
This grips my sh!t that we pay taxes for spongers. I was going to write to the DSS and ask them to provide a few of the fatherless on incapacity benefit and a birch to me at 16:30 each Friday so I could trash some well being into them.

The DSS should also look at Doctors who have a high level of spongers and suggest strongly that they need ot either shape up or get struck off for malpractice.

Benefits should be earned not taken for granted!
You're on the wrong thread, romach.

BTW best place to look for spongers? The media.
Maybe you are right, but since this bunch of toss pots started to run the country they made it easier for scum to go on the brew and who paid for it all - Taxpayers like us. So as a tax payer i want to trash my pound of flesh out of these wasters.

My point is that there is no incentive for GPs to say to their patients you are not depressed/ stressed, but you are a lazy cnut!

The government also talks about getting tough on these people but instead they give them increases. Benefits should work on a sliding scale over a period of 2 years first 6 months 100% (if you paid tax for moree that 2 years), next 6 months 75%, next 6 months 50% and in the final 6 months 25% of benefits. however if 2 different gps certify the person as unfit then benefits should be paid.

I would hand them all mcdonalds application forms and if they do not fill them in or turn up fo interviews then cancel benefits as they are not playing ball
 

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