• ARRSE have partnered with Armadillo Merino to bring you an ARRSE exclusive, generous discount offer on their full price range.
    To keep you warm with the best of Merino gear, visit www.armadillomerino.co.uk and use the code: NEWARRSE40 at the checkout to get 40% off!
    This superb deal has been generously offered to us by Armadillo Merino and is valid until midnight on the the 28th of February.

5 years left in afghanistan?

#1
qoute from new british ambassador to afghasnistan:
British forces may be in Afghanistan for another five years while civilians could stay more than 20 years.

link to full article http://www.geo.tv/3-25-2009/38144.htm

just wanted to hear peoples opinions on this
cheers

by the way the article is about a month old, just didnt see any posts about it at the time.
 
#3
Balkans in 95/96 , I remember talking with Brig Shaw, No sorry I remember him TELLING me " We will still be here in 10 years". Well well well, we still have UK Army there today 14 years after.

That was a littile local do. Afgan is Geo-political. 20 years plus unless a bigger front starts smoewhere else. :cry:
IMHO.
 
#5
Wouldnt it just be cheaper and have the same effect to shoot heroinusers here ? Its a horrible place and even the new government makes saudi seem a bunch of laid back hippies .So what the point ?
 
#7
My guess - within a few years there will be talks with the Taliban. They can't be ignored indefinitely. In exchange for 'peace' (ours that is) Afghanistan will be run by them and the country will sink back to its former state again.

Call me a cynic.
 
#8
woah..........whiskey_60 calm down, im seventeen (been shaving for two years, just thought youd like that) and yes i am considering a career in the army,and contrary to what you think not just to 'shoot some taliban'.
i am genuinly interested in peoples opinions on the matter.
 
#9
Stanley1975 said:
My guess - within a few years there will be talks with the Taliban. They can't be ignored indefinitely. In exchange for 'peace' (ours that is) Afghanistan will be run by them and the country will sink back to its former state again.

Call me a cynic.
You're a cynic...but so am I,and,back in 1997 in USA,there were talks about a pipeline running from the Caspian Sea to Pakistan running through...guess where?Wonder how they're going to get that built without concessions to the local populace(inc you-know-who of course)...
 
#10
milkmclane said:
woah..........whiskey_60 calm down, im seventeen (been shaving for two years, just thought youd like that) and yes i am considering a career in the army,and contrary to what you think not just to 'shoot some taliban'.
i am genuinly interested in peoples opinions on the matter.
Can you send me some pictures of said furry nuts? Just for evidence of course.

Why would you not want to shoot some Taliban? Are you a sympathiser? Or are you a Terrorist?
 
#11
Stanley1975 said:
My guess - within a few years there will be talks with the Taliban. They can't be ignored indefinitely. In exchange for 'peace' (ours that is) Afghanistan will be run by them and the country will sink back to its former state again.

Call me a cynic.
And apart from no ross kemp and close friends bimbling around the place
the diffrence to the state of the country would be ? :twisted:
 
#13
jboldie said:
Stanley1975 said:
My guess - within a few years there will be talks with the Taliban. They can't be ignored indefinitely. In exchange for 'peace' (ours that is) Afghanistan will be run by them and the country will sink back to its former state again.

Call me a cynic.
You're a cynic...but so am I,and,back in 1997 in USA,there were talks about a pipeline running from the Caspian Sea to Pakistan running through...guess where?Wonder how they're going to get that built without concessions to the local populace(inc you-know-who of course)...
Oh yes, the US went great lengths preventing the pipeline from running straight down through the evil empire Iran. Which would have been a cheaper, shorter, more stable and sensible option.

"Common sense" has long been bad words in the White House. The equivalent of lobbing pork chops into a mosque.
 
#14
call me an idiot but i think there are many parrallels between the Afghanistan conflict and the Vietnam War. IMHO it will end when it becomes political suicide for the government of the day to continue its involvement in the country... Increasing the numbers and standards of the Afghan National Army and moving to a supportive role of them while decreasing our own numbers is probably the best way forward to a positive conlusion. However this would take many years and it's success could be argued.

A Royal Marine Captain suggested that if we bought opium [for use in medical supplies rather than illegal recreational purposes] at a higher price than extremists, we would be strengthening their economy, gaining their support, and taking away vital assets from the extremists. You can't buy an Afghan, but you can rent them. [would this make them our rent boys? :? ] I, personally, think that this is a very good idea (helping the Afghans - not making them our rent boys :wink: ).
 
#15
Be closer to 50 years than 5. Whoever said 5 has been smocking crack with the ANA. Its also only a matter of time before the Pakistan government invite NATO into the border regions to take the fight to the Taliban there. As the bod in Full Metal Jacket said "Its a big shite sandwich, and we've all got to take a bite"
 
#17
The world has gone mad.
I left HM Forces back in mid 90, if anyone had bet me that a Brit Division would be deployed by year end in Mid East I would have staked my Gratuity on them being wrong. And I am not a Gambling man.
As a kid I heard tales of The North West Frontier and read adventures of The Wolf Of Kabul and his sidekick Kung in the weekly comics.
In last few years Nue Labour has talked of 30 years in Afghanistan now we are down to 5.
The great Game of the 1800's and 1900's should be long gone for we have no Indian Empire to defend, we withdrew from that play at US request and now India is capable of self defence.
Let them get on with it.
UK is a small nation who now holds no overseas territories of consequence so why oh why are Brit troops laying their lives and limbs plus mental health on the line for a country of no strategic significance to Britain.
john
The average Ahfgani could not even show where UK is on a world map.
 
#18
Nato & their allies will be in the middle east for a very long time to come, eventually Nato will end up in Pakistan dealing with the Taliban as the Pakistan Government bow to international pressure finally admitting Nato assistance is requested in certain area's of the country

+ Peace talks with the taliban are a very sensitive area but "MAY" succeed (but i don't hold my breath)

- Within the next 5/10 years + long term (IMO) most of Nato will be mainly in the Afgahnistan/pakistan area dealing with the long term threat

I would like to be optimistic ref the Afghanistan/Pakistan but don't forget Iran as well, the strategic risk elements to being the area once the long term objectives become more clear thats why Nato will not be leaving the area for a long time to come
 
#19
Stanley1975 said:
My guess - within a few years there will be talks with the Taliban. They can't be ignored indefinitely. In exchange for 'peace' (ours that is) Afghanistan will be run by them and the country will sink back to its former state again.

Call me a cynic.
I call you a realist and absolutely support your main point - the negotiations with the Taliban will happen later or sooner.

Though I doubt that the Taliban would be able to establish full control over whole Afghanisatan. The Northern part of the country would be ruled by local elites (Uzbeks and Tajiks). The Taliban as largely Pushtun organisation would control traditional tribal areas.
 
#20
Whiskey_60 said:
milkmclane said:
woah..........whiskey_60 calm down, im seventeen (been shaving for two years, just thought youd like that) and yes i am considering a career in the army,and contrary to what you think not just to 'shoot some taliban'.
i am genuinly interested in peoples opinions on the matter.
Can you send me some pictures of said furry nuts? Just for evidence of course.

Why would you not want to shoot some Taliban? Are you a sympathiser? Or are you a Terrorist?
Is this the Naafi bar? :? Dont be a d1ck mate, the lad is asking a genuine question. If you cant furnish him with an answer or an opinion, dont reply.
 

Latest Threads