5.56 L2A1 and L2A2

#1
I've tried googling this but I can't find an answer.

When did the 5.56 L2A2 round come into service and when did the L2A1 stop being issued?
 
#3
I've tried googling this but I can't find an answer.

Wah?

When did the 5.56 L2A2 round come into service and when did the L2A1 stop being issued?
Wah?

What are you on about? L2A2 is a grenade and a L2A1 or 'heavy barrel' FAL
 
#4
It's many things, as L2 isn't a designation by itself - what word precedes it?

Do you mean smg L2?
 
#5
L2A2 is another name for 5.56 SS109 no? I think more than just grenades have that designation mate.
 
#8
Ok, I'll try to clairfy it a bit.
The first issued Cartridge, Ball, L2A1 5.56x45mm is of the US M193 type but made by Radway Green. It was superceded in service by Cartridge, Ball L2A2 5.56x45mm which is of the SS109 type and made by Radway Green.
 
#11
HE117 may know off the top of his head, otherwise, i will consult A&ERs tonight and see if i can find an answer for you. Out of interest, why do you want to know?
 
#12
Strange question...

Why are you asking?

There are actually at least six types of 5.56 ball in service at the present time.. the main difference being the propellent..

L2A2 NNN propellent
L15A1 VH2 propellent
L15A2 PB2 Ball Powder
L17A1 MC1 Propellent
L17A2 NCW E1 Propellent
L21A1 766 Ball Powder

I don't have the dates to hand, but I will have a ferret around..

This, BTW, is the result of:
1. Trashing the only UK propellent plant.
2. RG not being man enough for the job, and us buying small arms ammo on the spot market..
 
#13
Ok, I'll try to clairfy it a bit.
The first issued Cartridge, Ball, L2A1 5.56x45mm is of the US M193 type but made by Radway Green. It was superceded in service by Cartridge, Ball L2A2 5.56x45mm which is of the SS109 type and made by Radway Green.
I will need to check, but as I recall the only M193 5.56 made by RG was "Purple Stripe" (experimental) X1E1 for the Marines and THEM who had a buy of M16s in the 70's...

I will have a look in my archives..
 
#14
#15
In October 1995 (earliest I’ve got) the Round 5.56 mm Ball L2A1 (SA80) was listed as obsolescent whilst Round 5.56 mm Ball L2A2 (SA80) was current.
From Puttee's post above it is probable that the L2A1 was relegated to training use shortly after introduction of the L2A2 and was still hanging around but I cannot confirm this.
 
#16
Strange question...

Why are you asking?

There are actually at least six types of 5.56 ball in service at the present time.. the main difference being the propellent..

L2A2 NNN propellent
L15A1 VH2 propellent
L15A2 PB2 Ball Powder
L17A1 MC1 Propellent
L17A2 NCW E1 Propellent
L21A1 766 Ball Powder

I don't have the dates to hand, but I will have a ferret around..

This, BTW, is the result of:
1. Trashing the only UK propellent plant.
2. RG not being man enough for the job, and us buying small arms ammo on the spot market..
Interesting (if you're a bit of an ammo geek) would you happen know what each of those natures is used for? Would I be right in thinking some would be for use in training only? Would you get different ball rounds in an LMG belt to those issued for use in SA80? Is ammo for C8s different there has been been talk on here before of M4s not liking UK ammo due to a different type of propellant?

Sorry for the barrage of questions I probably should have been an AT.
 
#17
Were the early L85 prototypes not also rifled for M193?
 
#18
Were the early L85 prototypes not also rifled for M193?
There may have been a couple of trials lashups, but the main effort was to be in 4.85 if you remember. Allegedly the first bodge was made from a chopped up Sterling AR180 and jungle tape, so that would have been M193!

When the calibre contest went to SS109, production went directly to this.. the only difference is the barrel twist after all...
 

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#19
There may have been a couple of trials lashups, but the main effort was to be in 4.85 if you remember. Allegedly the first bodge was made from a chopped up Sterling AR180 and jungle tape, so that would have been M193!

When the calibre contest went to SS109, production went directly to this.. the only difference is the barrel twist after all...
I had the joy of serving at the time of adoption of the L85A1 and we also had AR15s, M16A1 and HK53 in the cupboard at the time. The boss was less than worried what was meant for waht provided it went bang. I have to agree with him in the main!
 
#20
I had the joy of serving at the time of adoption of the L85A1 and we also had AR15s, M16A1 and HK53 in the cupboard at the time. The boss was less than worried what was meant for waht provided it went bang. I have to agree with him in the main!
If memory serves, we had AR15 out in the Far East in the early 80s although they had full auto capability. I think the batch of serials started with the numbers 6000 or 0006. I also seem to remember that the ammo we had was American, although I may well be completely off the mark.
 

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