4x4s to get hit with road tax increase

#1
It’s rumoured that Mr G Broon is going to hit 4x4s with extra road tax in the Budget on Wednesday because they are ‘gas guzzlers’. Have I got this right?

4x4s use more fuel than smaller cars; they are more expensive to buy and presumably more expensive to maintain. Therefore, the people who drive them can afford them now.

If he does raise the road tax, the people who drive them now will still be able to afford them and will continue to drive them.

So, what will he achieve: not one single 4x4 being taken off the road but more tax to sustain the Bliar Empire and another ‘not so stealthy’ tax to be added to the list.

That means that Broon is in a win, win situation. He gets the same fuel tax and VAT plus more road tax and he can claim the Green Vote.
 
#2
If it was the same report I read at the weekend the increase would be so negligible and propably confirm your assessment of the situation.
 
#3
I thought it was just urban 4x4 drivers they were hitting?

They'd better not be applying it to those of us in the countryisde. They aren't, are they?
 
#4
Mmmmmmmmm, as a 4x4 owner I'm not too happy about this one, but I'm going to hold my tongue untill we get a bit more input.....
 
#5
If as per weekend papers. Fifty quid a year on the running costs is neither here or there. And you know it is going to a good cause ;).

(I have one myself).

C
 
#7
4x4 owners have been through hoops trying to fight this one. The whole concept is basically flawed and is just another way for the fat w@nker to squeeze even more money out of the over-taxed british public. He wont get my Disco till he pries my cold dead fingers off the steering wheel, and our lass isnt going to give hers up either...............

Bawlicks to the fat cnut.
 
#8
Why not just put it on fuel - the more you guzzle the more you pay?

People can't complain about 4x4's in our towns and cities, the state of the roads means you do need a good off road motor so you don't bottom out on some poorly maintained road.

How about putting some more of the money paid by motorists/commuters back into the transport system?

CC_TA
 
#11
4 x 4 drivers are just the scapegoat. I have a 4 x 4 and very rarely drive it, as I cycle to work, except when I go on holidays or exploring. What about all these arrseholes who drive just a few miles up the road to school/work?

I was caught in snow once and a little girl came on the radio, they were putting listeners on the air to tell all (basically whinge) about how bad the roads were, she told all how the trip from school to home normally only took 10 mins but had taken longer. I thought to myself why not walk then?

Of course if you drive a small car small distances you can't be bad, after all it isn't as if your engine is cold and thus burns more fuel and less efficiently or anything, not to mention the wear and tear on the engine and of course the wear on the batteries.

I drive a 4x4 because I enjoy driving it both on and off road, and it is ideal for packing the kit needed for long trips and for all sorts of other things.

I am begining to really hate living in this country now. With all the taxes and charges.... grrr
 
#12
Mmmmm, more anti the idea than pro, thats not what I was expecting to be honest. And none of this environmental rubbish either, whats up with you lot, most of the time folk cant wait to bash 4x4 drivers..................
 

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#13
Battsimm said:
Mmmmm, more anti the idea than pro, thats not what I was expecting to be honest. And none of this environmental rubbish either, whats up with you lot, most of the time folk cant wait to bash 4x4 drivers..................
But bashing the Government is so much more fun....
 
#14
dundrillin wrote:
Wonder how he's going to define a 4X4? Does this mean the owners of little Audi saloons are going to get hit too?
Good point. You get 4x4 panda, skodas, VW station wagons. On the otherhand a couple of grand to Dormobile will get you a camper van that just happens to be based on a 4x4 chassis.



Do they still have to pay the 4x4 tax? Hope not, they're great for camping in!!!!
 
#15
Ventress said:
Why "good" ? - My 14 year old Landrover and a couple of other 4x4s in the village were the only vehicles able to move at home last weekend. 18 inches of snow and no sign of a council gritter till nearly 5pm Sunday.

A couple of points for the greenies

1. My vehicle would run very nicely on eco-diesel made from recycled chip fat or veg oil if it was there in the market to buy. That would be an effective "no change" to the CO2 cycle rather than using "fossil" fuels. Target the fuel companies not the drivers !

2. I could get a more fuel efficient vehicle - though my LR does 28mpg which is not bad - but it would cause FAR more environmental damage in building that new vehicle than it will to run mine for donkeys years, replacing a few worn out parts now and then.

3. Mine works hard for a living. Its not a "Chelsea tractor" posing in the streets, its a farm vehicle that pulls trailers etc etc. Why should I pay extra tax ?

This whole attack on 4x4s is a nonsense for political purposes. If you really want to save wasted energy lets turn off all those townie street lights, blazing away at 3am when people should be tucked up in bed ! Anyone ever worked out how much energy that consumes ?
 
#16
Government will probably tax environmentally un-friendly 4x4s with a higher tax bracket.

No doubt MPs, tree huggers and stupid people will be falling other themselves to back the tax. Then Labour will intruduce 'A popular tax the people wanted' and put higher taxes on all vehicles with 4 wheels - *A bit of Labour spin goes a long way. *(A long way from the fuucking truth - Kunts!)

CC_TA
 
#17
I hear (from HERE) they are not specificly targetting 4x4's as the tax will be based on the emission levels (over 150g/Km of CO2). Interestingly this will affect most cars with an engine of over 2 liters capacity..... Hardly the demonised image of GAs Guzzling 4x4's on the school run.
 

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#18
Trossachs said:
Ventress said:
Why "good" ? - My 14 year old Landrover and a couple of other 4x4s in the village were the only vehicles able to move at home last weekend. 18 inches of snow and no sign of a council gritter till nearly 5pm Sunday.

A couple of points for the greenies

1. My vehicle would run very nicely on eco-diesel made from recycled chip fat or veg oil if it was there in the market to buy. That would be an effective "no change" to the CO2 cycle rather than using "fossil" fuels. Target the fuel companies not the drivers !

2. I could get a more fuel efficient vehicle - though my LR does 28mpg which is not bad - but it would cause FAR more environmental damage in building that new vehicle than it will to run mine for donkeys years, replacing a few worn out parts now and then.

3. Mine works hard for a living. Its not a "Chelsea tractor" posing in the streets, its a farm vehicle that pulls trailers etc etc. Why should I pay extra tax ?

This whole attack on 4x4s is a nonsense for political purposes. If you really want to save wasted energy lets turn off all those townie street lights, blazing away at 3am when people should be tucked up in bed ! Anyone ever worked out how much energy that consumes ?
The wife and I consider it a winter sport recovering idiots who cant seem to work out that if the main roads (or what passes for one) around here arent gritted then their precious renault is not going to get up butts brow! A true hill climb of the transmission oil cooking variety. I use my 4x4 to get to work as I cant afford to run one at home and one at work. That means 200 miles each end of the week almost all on motorways. The day that a reliable car/van that will carry my family of 4, a guest, 6 spaniels and shooting gear around the mudholes that pass for farm tracks around here then perhaps I will save up for one. My Suzuki Jimny (i'm not a hairdresser!) will pootle abot on my farm putting out grain, topping up feeders and generally getting me and guns to a better place. broon thinks this will win green credentials, some hope, they wont be happy till we are wearing homespun and munching tofu in our wattle and daub huts!
 
#19
I live at 1200 feet in a remote area and commute over a road at 2000feet.
If I dont go to work I dont get paid.
I earn around half the national average (as do most people round here)
The only vehicle I can afford capable of getting me to work in bad weather is a 16 year old Range Rover, shiney new economically sensible 4x4's are out of my reach and probably always will be, I only use the Range Rover when absolutely necesary on cost grounds. Take it away from me and I will be un-employed.
Mr Brown can stuff his tax plans where the sun don't shine, I'm not playing ball
 
#20
It is tad hypocritical that Mr Slackjaw Brown wants to hammer 4X4 owners when he is content to be driven around in a gasguzzling Jag as are the rest of that kindergarden. The engines in these Jags are, in some cases, larger than those in some 4X4s.
 

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