42? Overweight? Cannot concentrate? Dead? Join the US ARMY!

Alsacien

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#1
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2543376.html

"After missing recruitment targets in 2005, the Army lowered standards and doubled enlistment bonuses. Last year it raised the maximum age for recruits from 35 to 40 and then to 42.

It also relaxed rules outlawing visible tattoos above the neck and ensured that candidates who are a little overweight or suffer from attention deficit were no longer turned away. "

"Other, less successful, recruitment efforts have included writing to 5,100 officers who had recently left the service. The letters, sent out at Christmas, included 75 to officers killed in action and 200 more who have been wounded. But perhaps the most controversial measure to address recruitment shortfalls is the offer of automatic citizenship to foreign nationals recruited in the Army."
 
#2
"But perhaps the most controversial measure to address recruitment shortfalls is the offer of automatic citizenship to foreign nationals recruited in the Army."

Sounds like a plan to me. It worked for the Romans, but what did they ever achieve?
 
#3
Alsacien said:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2543376.html

"After missing recruitment targets in 2005, the Army lowered standards and doubled enlistment bonuses. Last year it raised the maximum age for recruits from 35 to 40 and then to 42.

It also relaxed rules outlawing visible tattoos above the neck and ensured that candidates who are a little overweight or suffer from attention deficit were no longer turned away. "

"Other, less successful, recruitment efforts have included writing to 5,100 officers who had recently left the service. The letters, sent out at Christmas, included 75 to officers killed in action and 200 more who have been wounded. But perhaps the most controversial measure to address recruitment shortfalls is the offer of automatic citizenship to foreign nationals recruited in the Army."
Having read that - 42 FFS- Just how long until they restart the draft?

They must be getting desperate.
 
#4
bobath said:
"But perhaps the most controversial measure to address recruitment shortfalls is the offer of automatic citizenship to foreign nationals recruited in the Army."

Sounds like a plan to me. It worked for the Romans, but what did they ever achieve?
Well, in the long term, spagetti, moustaches on their women, and lots of running away...
 
#6
fas_et_gloria said:
bobath said:
"But perhaps the most controversial measure to address recruitment shortfalls is the offer of automatic citizenship to foreign nationals recruited in the Army."

Sounds like a plan to me. It worked for the Romans, but what did they ever achieve?
Well, in the long term, spagetti, moustaches on their women, and lots of running away...
Achieve? Nothing you are right ..........Romans who?

Aqueducts, roads etc .......are just stupid little things you are right :thumright:

As for foreigners recruitment..........that was one reason why the Roman Empire fell........

ciao sorry have to go, must shave my moustache....... :winkrazz:
:biggrin:
 
#7
bobath said:
"But perhaps the most controversial measure to address recruitment shortfalls is the offer of automatic citizenship to foreign nationals recruited in the Army."

Sounds like a plan to me. It worked for the Romans, but what did they ever achieve?
Roman auxilliaries got their citizenship on discharge, after 25 years service. In the French Foreign Legion, a legionaire has to complete his initial 5 year contract before he's eligible for Frech citizenship.

It's not clear from the quote, but are the Septics offering citzenship on recruitment?
 
#8
Alsacien said:
Steven said:
Alsacien said:
Having read that - 42 FFS- Just how long until they restart the draft?

They must be getting desperate.
We are - how long before UK follows suit?
I would normally say that it wouldn't happen here but as they have just raised the joining age to 33 maybe it has already started?

Can't see conscription having much of a chance of getting started here though, no "selective service" here and the UK gov would just say "Ok we won, the rest is up to the locals" and pull the troops out if it gets that bad.
 

Alsacien

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#9
Dogface said:
And no doubt that not one of you has a clue as to how many 42 year olds enlisted and how many actually tried. Same regarding the process and qualifications of foreign nationals joining.

So how are enlistments doing in your very small army?
Do you have such figures?

Enlistments are up in UK - especially in Royal Marines and Parachute Regiment, overall army strength is still 3-5000 short (depending on whose figures you take).
 

Alsacien

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#10
Dogface said:
Alsacien said:
Dogface said:
And no doubt that not one of you has a clue as to how many 42 year olds enlisted and how many actually tried. Same regarding the process and qualifications of foreign nationals joining.

So how are enlistments doing in your very small army?
Do you have such figures?
Yes, I do.
Care to share them with us?
 
#11
I have noticed there is a fair bit of poking fun at the USA by members of this forum. It seems alot of you like to feel in some way superior to them.

If it wasn't for the US the Brits would be speaking German.
US soldiers seem to be able to get on with their job without whining and whinging like the Brits
For all your slagging off of the US remeber this.The world sees the UK as a pathertic lap dog to America. If the US is the big playground bully then the UK is the weak weasly kid hiding behind him calling other people names knowing no one will touch him.

But you still keep kidding yoursleves that you are better with your economy sized armed forces and chav culture.
 
#12
As Tom Lehrer said all those years ago "the US Army is unique in our nation in that it does not discriminate on grounds of race, colour, creed or ...competence"
 
#14
logical_log said:
I have noticed there is a fair bit of poking fun at the USA by members of this forum. It seems alot of you like to feel in some way superior to them.

If it wasn't for the US the Brits would be speaking German.
US soldiers seem to be able to get on with their job without whining and whinging like the Brits
For all your slagging off of the US remeber this.The world sees the UK as a pathertic lap dog to America. If the US is the big playground bully then the UK is the weak weasly kid hiding behind him calling other people names knowing no one will touch him.

But you still keep kidding yoursleves that you are better with your economy sized armed forces and chav culture.
Speaking German? Russian possibly.
 
#18
Dogface said:
And no doubt that not one of you has a clue as to how many 42 year olds enlisted and how many actually tried. Same regarding the process and qualifications of foreign nationals joining.

So how are enlistments doing in your very small army?

Do the actual numbers of 41 yo overweight under educated recruits really matter?

The fact that the US army is getting desperate enough to lower their standards this far is a sign of a failing system.

Do you think that the draft has any chance of being reintroduced anytime soon? I mean it looks like they are only after cannon fodder anyway so why not?
 
#19
Its not about age fitness capability etc...its about how you use them If they are used to fulfil jobs currently held by younger fitter and more capable troops, thus releasing them for frontline duty, then this is a good idea, if they are not then the US seriously risks degrading their already stretched combat capability.
 

Alsacien

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#20
http://www.comw.org/pda/0609br19.html

Maybe someone can confirm the reliability of this source, but it quotes:

Fighting on Borrowed Time
The Effect on US Military Readiness of America's post-9/11 Wars

"the war has required Marine units to deploy at rates more than 25 percent higher than what the service considers acceptable for long periods. Active Army units have been exceeding their deployment standards by 60 percent. High rates of deployment tempo (deptempo) maintained over long periods are known to adversely affect training, morale, and discipline -- causing a degradation in capability and, eventually, problems in personnel retention and recruitment"
"The second US Army Mental Health Advisory Team Report, released in January 2005, showed 54 percent of operationally-deployed personnel reporting that their units had low to very low morale. Although better than the previous year surveyed (2003), when a remarkable 72 percent reported poor morale, the extent was still serious."
"another spike in suicides that occurred in 2005: the rate for that year was 19.9 per 100,000 -- higher than the 2003 rate that sparked the Army's initial concerns."
"The use of "stop loss" orders, which stymied personnel attrition, and the unusual dependence on National Guard troops in Iraq, may have allowed the Army to lower its recruiting goals for the active component."
"Real trouble became apparent across the board in FY 2005, 18 months after the onset of the Iraq war. That year, all components of the Army fell significantly short of their recruitment goals: the active Army by 8 percent, the National Guard by 20 percent, and the Army Reserve by 16 percent."
"The Army and Marine Corps have managed to meet most of their gross "retention" (or "re-enlistment") goals, but involuntary extension of service terms ("stop loss orders") have played an important role in this."
"In January 2006, about 12,500 soldiers were serving involuntarily under "stop loss" orders."
"Reservists have been deployed -- 6,400 of them involuntarily"

Does not paint a rosy picture does it - whinging? Don't make me laugh by imagining these guys are happy!
 

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