40% of Young Dutch Muslims Reject Democracy

mora

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#1
A researcher for the Netherlands Ministry for Immigration and Integration has found that 40% of young Moroccan Muslims in the Netherlands reject Western values and democracy. And six to seven percent are prepared to use force to defend Islam.

Since the Dutch cities like Amsterdam and Rotterdam are close to having Muslim majorities it matters.


Centre for extremist studies established

14 June 2006

AMSTERDAM — A new centre for the study of radicalism and extremism has been established in Amsterdam.

The Centrum voor Radicalisme en Extremisme Studies (CRES) is being hosted by the University of Amsterdam (UvA) and will bring together researchers from various universities to advance the study of religious radicalisation in the Netherlands.

Researcher Frank Buijs of UvA's Institute of Migration and Ethnic Studies decided there was a need for the new academic centre while he was researching radicalisation of Moroccan youth on behalf of the Ministry for Immigration and Integration.

The study found 40 percent of the Moroccan youth in the Netherlands reject western values and

democracy. Six to seven percent are prepared to use force to defend Islam.

The majority are opposed to freedom of speech for offensive statements, particularly criticism of Islam. Buijs is the first director of CRES, which will provide information to people who come into contact with radicalism as part of their work.

Buijs said on Wednesday that the government must provide alternatives for Salafism, a contemporary movement in Sunni Islam that seeks a return to the 'pure Islam' of the days of Mohammed.

Salafism is a gaining ground in the Netherlands and Buijs said the government must do more to stimulate a more pluralistic form of Islam. Buijs and his colleagues discuss the issue in a new book 'Strijders van eigen bodem - radicale en democratische moslims in Nederland' (home-grown warriors - radical and democratic Muslims in the Netherlands).

[Copyright Expatica News + ANP 2006]

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The Dutch embrace same-sex marriage and euthanasia, yet the fabric of Holland is changing. Within a decade, its three major cities, including Amsterdam, could be majority Muslim and this most tolerant of countries is responding by passing radically intolerant laws. A version of religious tolerance allowed the Islamic influx into Europe. Now Europeans are asking Muslims to practice religious tolerance themselves and adjust to the values of their host countries.
 
#2
mora said:
Since the Dutch cities like Amsterdam and Rotterdam are close to having Muslim majorities it matters.
Maybe to the Dutch but not to me. How about '60% of Muslim youth embrace Democracy'?

At least these kids have the political awareness to form an opinion, unlike most of the 'youf' in this country.
 
#3
mora said:
A researcher for the Netherlands Ministry for Immigration and Integration has found that 40% of young Moroccan Muslims in the Netherlands reject Western values and democracy. And six to seven percent are prepared to use force to defend Islam.

Since the Dutch cities like Amsterdam and Rotterdam are close to having Muslim majorities it matters.


Centre for extremist studies established

14 June 2006

AMSTERDAM — A new centre for the study of radicalism and extremism has been established in Amsterdam.

The Centrum voor Radicalisme en Extremisme Studies (CRES) is being hosted by the University of Amsterdam (UvA) and will bring together researchers from various universities to advance the study of religious radicalisation in the Netherlands.

Researcher Frank Buijs of UvA's Institute of Migration and Ethnic Studies decided there was a need for the new academic centre while he was researching radicalisation of Moroccan youth on behalf of the Ministry for Immigration and Integration.

The study found 40 percent of the Moroccan youth in the Netherlands reject western values and

democracy. Six to seven percent are prepared to use force to defend Islam.

The majority are opposed to freedom of speech for offensive statements, particularly criticism of Islam. Buijs is the first director of CRES, which will provide information to people who come into contact with radicalism as part of their work.

Buijs said on Wednesday that the government must provide alternatives for Salafism, a contemporary movement in Sunni Islam that seeks a return to the 'pure Islam' of the days of Mohammed.

Salafism is a gaining ground in the Netherlands and Buijs said the government must do more to stimulate a more pluralistic form of Islam. Buijs and his colleagues discuss the issue in a new book 'Strijders van eigen bodem - radicale en democratische moslims in Nederland' (home-grown warriors - radical and democratic Muslims in the Netherlands).

[Copyright Expatica News + ANP 2006]

expatica
The Dutch embrace same-sex marriage and euthanasia, yet the fabric of Holland is changing. Within a decade, its three major cities, including Amsterdam, could be majority Muslim and this most tolerant of countries is responding by passing radically intolerant laws. A version of religious tolerance allowed the Islamic influx into Europe. Now Europeans are asking Muslims to practice religious tolerance themselves and adjust to the values of their host countries.
You seem to have conveniently left the 'Moroccan' out of the title. Stop scaremongering.
 
#4
Well, ones hopes it is merely scaremongering but the Moroccans are the main Muslim community in the Netherlands, and they are a large community. This isn't the equivalent of saying "40% of Indonesian youths in the UK...", or 40% of Moroccan youths in the UK, for that matter.
 
#5
Now if the The Centrum voor Radicalisme en Extremisme Studies (CRES) had found out that the majority of Moroccan Muslims were in favour of Dutch 'hahahaa' liberalism and values, would the CRES?

A) Still have a valid role for its self ?
B) Be able to promote their book 'Strijders van eigen bodem - radicale en democratische moslims in Nederland' (home-grown warriors - radical and democratic Muslims in the Netherlands)?

hmmmmmmmmmm I wonder :?
 
#6
Well said Mistersoft!
I wonder how the other "fighting religions" would score if the same question was posed to the same age group/social classes?
 
#7
So 6-7% of 40% of a SAMPLE of an ethnic minority responded (and we don't know how the question was worded) that they are prepared to use force to defend their beliefs.. Not exactly big numbers and similar views to 99.9% who post on here. Hardly a shocker.
 
#8
Strait_Jacket said:
So 6-7% of 40% of a SAMPLE of an ethnic minority responded (and we don't know how the question was worded) that they are prepared to use force to defend their beliefs.. Not exactly big numbers and similar views to 99.9% who post on here. Hardly a shocker.
I don't think it is 6-7% of 40% but 6-7% of the sample - which one would hope was representative.

As you say though, no shocker. V small minority.
 
#9
The Moroccans only just outnumber the Turks in the Netherlands so I would hardly call it representative.

And you'll probably find a larger number of Ajax fans would be prepared to use force.
 
#12
Great. So now everybody's an expert on the Netherlands. Kap nâh!

A recent documentary series was very enlightening: Geloof, Seks, en (Wan)hoop (Belief, Sex and dispair/hope) by Ingeborg Beugel, IKON, 2006
1: TUTTEN & HOEREN

Filmmaker Ingeborg Beugel praat in deze aflevering met de twintigjarige Sofie. Sofie maakte, toen ze op de middelbare school zat, een filmpje over de vraag 'waarom Marokkaanse jongens haar en haar vriendinnen voor hoer of slet uitscholden'. Ze probeert nu weer Marokkaanse mannen te filmen....

1: FRUMPS AND WHORES

Filmmaker Ingeborg Beugel talks with 20-year-old Sophie in this program. When she was a middle school, Sophie made a film about the question " why do Moroccan boys call her and her (girl)friends whores or sluts". She now tries again to film Moroccan men...
The documentary was very interesting, and well worth watching. Essentially, the author is trying to understand why Muslim, particularly Moroccan, boys call her daughter a slut or a whore on the street on a regular basis. Further editions go on to explore essentially love in Islam, including homosexuality.

Every time I have experienced aggression towards me on the street, it has been Moroccan teenagers. It's normally low level, trying to provoke a response. If I were younger, I would find it incredibly threatening, whereas now I find it rather pathetic. Back in Blighty, when my sister (Caucasian) lived in Leicester she would be racially abused on an almost daily basis, including being spat at... by Muslim girls. Of course, the police were not interested...

I have never experienced the same thing coming from Turks.
 
#13
stoatman said:
Every time I have experienced aggression towards me on the street, it has been Moroccan teenagers. It's normally low level, trying to provoke a response. If I were younger, I would find it incredibly threatening, whereas now I find it rather pathetic. Back in Blighty, when my sister (Caucasian) lived in Leicester she would be racially abused on an almost daily basis, including being spat at... by Muslim girls. Of course, the police were not interested...

I have never experienced the same thing coming from Turks.
...rather suggesting it isn't Islam but the nationalities and "cultures" of those involved.

When I lived in France we had a lot of problems with the Algerian youths but again not the Turks. Problems in Blighty with Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are on nothing like the same scale.

They are pretty different sets of people from very different countries.
 
#16
#17
Hi all
Dead simple. Shunt those who don't like Dutch-style democracy back to Morrocco or wherever. Anyone gobs on your sister/wife/girlfriend, then nut him and throw him back to whichever shithole he came from. These characters conveniently forget that, if they protested in their own countries, the least they'd get is a severe kicking from the local cops/militia/security service. If they don't like democracy, then back to autocracy/dictatorship for them.
regards
FAI
 

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