40 Commando RM / Welsh Guards ..For the record.....

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It is interesting to note that both 1st Battalion, Welsh Guards (stationed at Elizabeth Barracks, Pirbright) and 2nd Battalion, Scots Guards, (Chelsea Barracks, London), were both involved with Public Duties in London and Windsor before their attachment to 5 Infantry Brigade for Op Corporate. I saw at first hand how seriously the latter Battalion (and 1st/7th Gurkha Rifles) took their training on board QE2 on the way down, whilst 1WG did so to a lesser degree but appeared to be more interested of putting on a show for the troops in the ships cinema/theatre. I must state however, that it is not my place to criticise them, not being party to how they performed in the run-up exercises by 5 Inf Bde in Wales. Its just an observation. However, following the surrender I did observe how keen a small number were to expropriate Argentine weapons, including at least one M40 106mm (105mm) Recoiless Rifle which they carelessly let loose on the hilly road adjacent to the Cathedral which led to Ross Road, between the LADE Office (where we were based) and Post Office, where it ran off the bank into the sea, narrowly missing an RAOC tented bakery (and of course the container outside the Post Office which was packed full of soft porn, a gift from Paul Raymond of Raymond's Revue Bar fame).
 
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Others closer to things may like to add more but it's documented that the WG set out to march forward and simply weren't fit enough. They were then pulled back, put on the Galahad as a means of moving them, and carried round to Bluff Cove.

The rest is tragedy. People paid a very high price for a lack of preparedness and an unwillingness to heed good advice.
Funny that Ewen Soutby Tailyour wrote the Welsh Guards were fit for purpose and well trained. Still we all like to laugh at somebody I guess.
 
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Funny that Ewen Soutby Tailyour wrote the Welsh Guards were fit for purpose and well trained. Still we all like to laugh at somebody I guess.
Sorry - be clear. I wasn't setting out to do anyone down. I'm just recounting what has been written elsewhere.

Whatever happened - good, bad or indifferent - men died and others had their lives altered dramatically and permanently.
 
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It’s a tall order taking any Bn from public duties straight to operations. There were other formations eg 1 Inf Bde (aka UKMF) a dismounted NATO rolled Inf Brigade that were at a much higher state of readiness and more cohesive than the recently formed 5 Inf Bde (which had in any case just lost 2 and 3PARA to 3 Cdo Bde).

There was much discussion at the time as to why 1WG and 2 SG were plucked out of public dutie to be sent to the FI. This included unsubstantiated comment that HMG did not want to use NATO committed units and that the Foot Guards has pulled strings to be included. At the time of 5 Bde’s initial deployment the press commentary - presumably from the MoD is that 5 Bde was going down as the FI ‘garrison’.

The SG seemed to come out of the FI with an intact reputation, but the WG at the time seemed to have shadow of being found wanting as a Bn particularly amongst some of its officers. This may or may not have been fair and does not detract from the courage and fortitude of any individual.
 
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The SG seemed to come out of the FI with an intact reputation, but the WG at the time seemed to have shadow of being found wanting as a Bn particularly amongst some of its officers. This may or may not have been fair and does not detract from the courage and fortitude of any individual.
A Tumbledown veteran was one of those who took me through Basic. He was a very switched-on, very fit guy who still remains a notable individual in my mind in terms of his ability and calm, but very positive, demeanour.
 

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At that time the Gds Div at IJLB actually had on strength NCO's solely for drill. They were too fat for anything else and never seen in combats.
 

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At that time the Gds Div at IJLB actually had on strength NCO's solely for drill. They were too fat for anything else and never seen in combats.
Trooping the Colour has gone down hill since they got rid of them. Pagentry saves lives.
 
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It’s a tall order taking any Bn from public duties straight to operations. There were other formations eg 1 Inf Bde (aka UKMF) a dismounted NATO rolled Inf Brigade that were at a much higher state of readiness and more cohesive than the recently formed 5 Inf Bde (which had in any case just lost 2 and 3PARA to 3 Cdo Bde).

There was much discussion at the time as to why 1WG and 2 SG were plucked out of public dutie to be sent to the FI. This included unsubstantiated comment that HMG did not want to use NATO committed units and that the Foot Guards has pulled strings to be included. At the time of 5 Bde’s initial deployment the press commentary - presumably from the MoD is that 5 Bde was going down as the FI ‘garrison’.

The SG seemed to come out of the FI with an intact reputation, but the WG at the time seemed to have shadow of being found wanting as a Bn particularly amongst some of its officers. This may or may not have been fair and does not detract from the courage and fortitude of any individual.
Interesting you should say that. My ex-father in law was in 2 RGJ at the time and I think he said that initially they stepped up to be Spearhead Bn to replace either 2 or 3 PARA (I can't recall which one) when they deployed with 3 Cdo Bde. When the task org regarding 5 Inf Bde was made, they fully expected to make up part of the infantry component but were then told to get off the Op CORPORATE bus. He hinted that it was for the reasons you stated.
 
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Over the years, I've heard that any number of different units were Spearhead and were elbowed out of the way to allow the Guards to come thundering through. They include the Cheshires, the Green Howards and @Berlin_104s's post adds the Green Jackets.

Does anyone know the truth of things?
 
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Over the years, I've heard that any number of different units were Spearhead and were elbowed out of the way to allow the Guards to come thundering through. They include the Cheshires, the Green Howards and @Berlin_104s's post adds the Green Jackets.

Does anyone know the truth of things?
Unfortunately, I can't confirm this due to family reasons but the RGJ contingent on here should be able to confirm/deny.

ETA: However, I'm willing to bet my Army pension that it wasn't this mob:

1 Royal Wessex Rangers:)
 
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