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4 Yorks

#1
Hello all. Im a new member but I have been veiwing for some time now and read with intrest.

I have served with 4YORKS for some years now, previously serving with EWRR and 3PWO. Any other memebers of the battalion here? or previous regts (TA) and coys?

Now to the point. I'll try not to be too negative, but find it hard not to!!!

Basically, Im outraged at the total unprofessional attitude of the battalion, I in my not so extensive career (8 years) have never come across such an unprofessional bn and my coy seems to be the same. I have served on two operational tours, and each time seem to receive little or no reconition! Is this the same in other local inf regts? or other TA units?
Their incompentcy is affecting my reasoning for attendence. Attending weekends that have no or very little training value! No use of recent troops returning from operational tours, which are "proper tours" with real war fighting experience. And their exercise leave alot to be desired! Both on a coy and bn level.

I could go on, but that would be unprofessional of me. Just would like to know if there are any other members of the battalion here and their veiws. Simlarly, if there are any outsiders here and their veiw from the outside? Been one of the Norths infantry regiments, I actually feel ashamed to be part of this regt!

Thanks for any replies, and your time.
Steve
 
#2
steve_o

A couple of observations if I may:

1. Best not to use a real name - hopefully 'steve_o' isn't Steve Owen, Steve O'Reilly etc..

2. Spelling? I know it might seem to be a small point but people judge you by it rightly or wrongly.

3. Unprofessional and incompetent? Well, it's a big claim - might be better to throw in some evidence.

4. Two tours? Well done. Presumably your medals have been awarded and maybe even a rank uplift?

5. Have you spoken to your Platoon Comd, Coy Comd etc?
 
#4
I'm ex-1 YORKS - the 1 YORKS that's now 4 YORKS, that is.

I'm sorry to read that you think they've gone downhill, they were extremely professional when I was in. I met up with a platoon from my old Coy on TELIC 2 (sadly only one old face) and they appeared quite professional then.

I don't know exactly what recognition you're expecting from having completed two tours. In my days with 1 YORKS, we had an Aden veteran (though he was a CDSM regular at the time), but he still had to stand his round at the bar. Good bloke, I learned a lot from him, but I never made a point of thanking him - nor did he whinge because I hadn't.

I don't live in the area now, so I can't offer much in the way of sympathy. Perhaps you could meet up with Jarrod (he's also an ex-Yorkie). I'm sure he could give you some comfort.
 
#6
Puttees - Owen was in Aden but so was Big Hilly and Trevor (the one from the Fusileers not the one from Thornaby). Tucker fought in most wars since the Peninsula but kept it quiet just in case anybody worked out his real age. He is still fit and well.
 
#7
TA wide problem I presume?
Thats what comes of it when you have "enablers" who haven't been anywhere teaching those that have. It is frustrating, annoying etc. but you have choices; leave, do a tour or join the regs.
 
#9
Should have gone away with a certain other company then- this weekend was all about using Operational Experience on patrol (although whether it was entirely successful time will tell).

I don't know what kind of recognition you are expecting, but pretty much everyone is expected to go on tour nowadays? At least now there is a medal parade! We also send parcels out now etc etc?

Like all units, there are those that are never mobilised that seem to think they know it all, but that is just the training environment. It is all part of a wider issue that mobilisation training is specific to what you are going to do. Brecon, Sandhurst etc have yet to catch up with it (whether they should or not is another debate in itself), so hence there are conflicting SOPs etc.

It sounds like a transfer may give you the mojo boost you may require- another company or unit is up to you!
 
#10
Should have gone away with a certain other company then- this weekend was all about using Operational Experience on patrol (although whether it was entirely successful time will tell).

I don't know what kind of recognition you are expecting, but pretty much everyone is expected to go on tour nowadays? At least now there is a medal parade! We also send parcels out now etc etc?

Like all units, there are those that are never mobilised that seem to think they know it all, but that is just the training environment. It is all part of a wider issue that mobilisation training is specific to what you are going to do. Brecon, Sandhurst etc have yet to catch up with it (whether they should or not is another debate in itself), so hence there are conflicting SOPs etc.

It sounds like a transfer may give you the mojo boost you may require- another company or unit is up to you!
Not this weekend in particular, just everything really come to a head, and just the lack of general orginsation. Lets see what the next bn ex has in strore.

Not looking for anything special in reconition of my time served on operations, just some reconition would be nice! Already looking into the possibility of a transfare to another unit, a corps unfortantly!
 
#12
Puttees - Owen was in Aden but so was Big Hilly and Trevor (the one from the Fusileers not the one from Thornaby). Tucker fought in most wars since the Peninsula but kept it quiet just in case anybody worked out his real age. He is still fit and well.
When was Aden by the way?
 
#13
TA wide problem I presume?
Thats what comes of it when you have "enablers" who haven't been anywhere teaching those that have. It is frustrating, annoying etc. but you have choices; leave, do a tour or join the regs.
Don't think its a TA-wide issue at all. My Company had 40 blokes on parade last tuesday night, plus various others lurking around the TAC.

If all of the "enablers" left you could have problems with such trivia as motor transport, MATT passes etc. The issue is nowt to do with enablers, more likely to be a poor Training Programme.
 

RP578

LE
Book Reviewer
#15
When was Aden by the way?
The Emergency began in December 1963 when the NLF attacked the British High Commissioner and ended with the hand-over to the South Arabian authorities in November 1967. The qualifying period for the campaign medal didn't start till August 1964 though.

Incidentally, TA soldiers (from The Queens Regt I think) deployed to South Arabia as 'Ever Readies' or Emergency Reserves.
 
#16
The Emergency began in December 1963 when the NLF attacked the British High Commissioner and ended with the hand-over to the South Arabian authorities in November 1967. The qualifying period for the campaign medal didn't start till August 1964 though.

Incidentally, TA soldiers (from The Queens Regt I think) deployed to South Arabia as 'Ever Readies' or Emergency Reserves.
Correct:The TAER
 
#18
I'm ex-1 YORKS - the 1 YORKS that's now 4 YORKS, that is.

I'm sorry to read that you think they've gone downhill, they were extremely professional when I was in. I met up with a platoon from my old Coy on TELIC 2 (sadly only one old face) and they appeared quite professional then.

I don't know exactly what recognition you're expecting from having completed two tours. In my days with 1 YORKS, we had an Aden veteran (though he was a CDSM regular at the time), but he still had to stand his round at the bar. Good bloke, I learned a lot from him, but I never made a point of thanking him - nor did he whinge because I hadn't.

I don't live in the area now, so I can't offer much in the way of sympathy. Perhaps you could meet up with Jarrod (he's also an ex-Yorkie). I'm sure he could give you some comfort.
You're in there, old son. :p

 

RP578

LE
Book Reviewer
#19
I know that it is often called as such in accounts and memoires, but I think (freely admit to not being 100% on this) that they were technically a part of the Army Emergency Reserve (AER) which was itself a descendent of the Supplementary Reserve (SR) and didn't come under the TA wing until they were amalgamated in 1967 as a part of the new TAVR. Malcolm Milham's account describes him joining the Ever Readies via his local TA unit, so no entirely sure how it worked.

Interstingly the AER had three catagories of readiness/deployability and this sort of carried on under the TAVR.Perhaps something that could make a comeback? Did a quick seach online for supporting bumf, but all I got was this piece in Hansard by Profumo:

AER

Army Emergency ReserveHC Deb 06 February 1961 vol 634 cc14-6W 14W
Sir O. Prior-Palmer asked the Secretary of State for War to make a statement on the future of the Army Emergency Reserve.

Mr. Profumo: Yes. The importance of the Army Emergency Reserve will be increased as a result of the ending of National Service, and its reorganisation to meet the changed conditions is complementary to that of the Territorial Army, which was announced by my predecessor on 20th July last year.

The Army Emergency Reserve will, as in the past, be divided into three categories. Category I will be composed of volunteers who accept a special liability for service in circumstances which do not necessitate calling out other parts of the Reserves by Proclamation. The number of men in this category will be within the limit of 15,000 laid down in the Army Reserve Act, 1950. In future, this category will be mainly organised in units and its members will, where necessary, carry out a certain amount of training in the evenings or at week-ends, in addition to their annual camp. The rates of annual bounty will be substantially increased from the previous maximum of £25 for the training and pre-proclamation liabilities. Now, in addition to a tax-free bounty of up to £16 for training, members of this category will receive a taxable bounty of £60 in recognition of their pre-proclamation liability.

Category II will have the same liability as at present to be called out by Proclamation in case of imminent national danger or of great emergency, There will therefore be no change in the existing terms of service for this category. It will consist largely of specialists for whom training outside annual camp on the Territorial Army pattern is not required. The revised establishment will provide for about 13,000 volunteers, but, for the next few years, those National Service men who carry out their Reserve service in the Army Emergency Reserve will continue to be posted to this category.

Category III, which consists of certain highly skilled tradesmen, will continue unchanged.

An important feature of the reorganisation is that, so far as possible, units will, in future, be recruited on a regional basis and will be affiliated to units of the Regular and Territorial Armies. This should facilitate training and assist recruiting by encouraging local interest.

The Army Emergency Reserve is an essential part of our Reserve Forces, and I take this opportunity of paying tribute to the efforts of those volunteers on whom it has depended in the past. In future, it must be sustained by voluntary recruitment; I trust that, as a result of this reorganisation and of the steps I am taking to make known more fully the importance of this Reserve, those volunteers will come forward.
Any more info out there?
 
#20
I suspect exactly the same. The ethos is and always has been 'hurry up and wait'.
Just because thats the attitude doesnt mean its the correct attitude, and everybody just "cracks on" nobody is ever asked what they actually think.

The battalion is behind the times, well behind. and with the amount of troops deploying, sh!t welfare, and poor retention it wont be long untill the battalion is well understrength. Its not conincidence that most returning troops from herrick are leaving/transfaring, yet there is no incentive for them to stay.

look at other inf units in the area, totally squared away with their training, deployment and retention. just this school boy battalion that isnt!!!
 

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