4 para

#1
Hi, have you got any information on military gap years with 4 para, I'm on a gap year at the moment and going to uni next year and I want to join para regs after leaving but if i could do a year with 4 para during my studies that would be great, maybe get a tour in as well? Can I do this or I am just peeing in the wind?
Any help would be much appreciated
cheers james
 

The_Duke

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#3
scaleyback88 said:
well your looking at about a year just to pass phase 1 training since the paperwork and s*** takes so long so yeah pissing in the wind plus a 6 month tour actually takes about a year anyway with all the paperwork and the pre deployment training,my advice would still be to go with them as i would assume therewould be a few para regs there and it would really help you prepare
As you obviously know nothing about the subject matter in hand, step away from the keyboard and stop posting drivel.

jwhred,

The military gap year, now know as the SSRE (short service reservist engagement) is all done in 12 months, and designed to fit within a Uni gap year.

The first 6 months (approx) will see you join, do medicals, TA`recruit selection weekend and then a consolidated phase 1 and 2 training package culminating in TA CIC and P Coy. From here, if you pass, there will be a basic Para course, some adventure training and a few other bits and pieces. After this, and always assuming you are sucessful, you will be offered a short FTRS tour to one of the regular Bns. Depending when you do the SSRE, if there is a tour on then you will join for a least part of that tour, returning in time to pick up your Uni course again.

If 16X are not on tour, then your FTRS time will be spent in one of the Bns doing exercises, training etc - normal Bn life.
If you have any queries, call one of the recruiting numbers on the 4 Para website and they will talk you through the whole process.

Duke
 
#5
Thanks a lot Duke, I've got my pre AOSB coming up soon, that won't affect anything will it?

I just thought In my humble opinion that it would be good to come out of the factory with a better perspective on what life as a soldier is like and I would therefore be more qualified to lead them.

Thanks a lot!
 

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#6
jwhred said:
Thanks a lot Duke, I've got my pre AOSB coming up soon, that won't affect anything will it?

I just thought In my humble opinion that it would be good to come out of the factory with a better perspective on what life as a soldier is like and I would therefore be more qualified to lead them.

Thanks a lot!
Not at all - lots on the MGY have been lineing themselves up for AOSB and subsequent AOSB.
 
#7
Hmmm, this is the first time i've come across this "millitary gap year" thing.

Is it just for Para's or does it apply across the whole of the TA?

(Specifically to Signals) :)
 
#8
You're too late to get on the MGY for this year if you're going to Universiy in September 2009.

Is there a 4 Para unit near the university you'll be going to or near where you live now?
 
#9
My son did the Gap Year thing last year,going up to Uni in Sept 2008.He had to enlist in 4 Para,but never went to Pudsey!After a short course at RMA,he went to a battalion,and managed to do 5 months in The Stan,during his year.If he decides on becoming a regular after uni,he'll have to do the whole Factory thing etc.However both he,and the Army have had a chance to look at each other.Even if he does not go regular after uni,the gap year time spent will help with his CV IMHO.
 
#10
I'm going to Notts Trent next year, but i don't mind moving away If it gives me the chance to do a tour in the 'stan. I want to do the MGY between my second and third years of uni, and IMHO one can't lead lead soldiers unless you can understand what it's like to be a soldier. Plus I'll be skint and I can't think of a better way to combine a tour, training and earning a few extra quid.

Jwhred
 
#11
jwhred said:
I'm going to Notts Trent next year, but i don't mind moving away If it gives me the chance to do a tour in the 'stan. I want to do the MGY between my second and third years of uni, and IMHO one can't lead lead soldiers unless you can understand what it's like to be a soldier. Plus I'll be skint and I can't think of a better way to combine a tour, training and earning a few extra quid.

Jwhred
not knocking you at all pal, but just bear the following in mind over the coming years.

1. have worked with lads from 4 para over the yrs - on ex and ops. most are sound blokes.
when some have been on ops with me they've mention plans like yours. but by going on ops some see a side of the reg army that puts them off and i feel because they have that get out clause they do walk away, where as a bloke who fully comitted has no other option than to get on with it - do you understand what im saying?

2. an officer will try to understand the blokes always - but unless he has been through the factory - he will never fully. even officers who have been toms 1st - i think either forget or where never of that mind set cos if they had they wouldnt of then become officers.

but im glad you wanta see it from our eyes first. good luck mate and who knows 1 day our paths may cross.
 
#12
THEY_STOOD_IN_THE_DOOR said:
jwhred said:
I'm going to Notts Trent next year, but i don't mind moving away If it gives me the chance to do a tour in the 'stan. I want to do the MGY between my second and third years of uni, and IMHO one can't lead lead soldiers unless you can understand what it's like to be a soldier. Plus I'll be skint and I can't think of a better way to combine a tour, training and earning a few extra quid.

Jwhred
not knocking you at all pal, but just bear the following in mind over the coming years.

1. have worked with lads from 4 para over the yrs - on ex and ops. most are sound blokes.
when some have been on ops with me they've mention plans like yours. but by going on ops some see a side of the reg army that puts them off and i feel because they have that get out clause they do walk away, where as a bloke who fully comitted has no other option than to get on with it - do you understand what im saying?

2. an officer will try to understand the blokes always - but unless he has been through the factory - he will never fully. even officers who have been toms 1st - i think either forget or where never of that mind set cos if they had they wouldnt of then become officers.

but im glad you wanta see it from our eyes first. good luck mate and who knows 1 day our paths may cross.
Thanks for the advice, I just thought that it wouldn't do me any harm, and may help me to empathize with the soldiers. I know that as an officer I would try and understand where they've come from, but surely the only way to do that is to serve time as one of them?

Aren't the best officers those that served as tom's first? Such has Sir Peter de la Billiere?

Jwhred
 
#13
jwhred said:
I want to do the MGY between my second and third years of uni,
You would be better off completing your degree first.

msr
 
#14
msr said:
jwhred said:
I want to do the MGY between my second and third years of uni,
You would be better off completing your degree first.

msr
Unless the MGY counts as a "year in industry" and earns him a masters at the end of it.

The only problem is going back to university after a year's FTRS.
 
#15
I want to go to sandhurst straight after uni, It justs seems a bit pointless to do a year with 4 para and then go of to sandhurst. Money's no incentive but I will be pretty skint by the time i reach the end of my second year and I just want to do something a bit more exciting than the OTC. 4 para seems like the ideal thing to do

Thanks for all the advice, I did speak to my ACA but he didn't seem to know anything about it.

Jwhred
 
#16
jwhred said:
I want to go to sandhurst straight after uni,
Even more reason not to do it. You should be out enjoying yourself and doing all the things you will not be able to do when you have signed up.

This is the time to develop a 'well rounded' personality.

msr
 
#17
Haha, I left home at 17 having lived 8 years in Spain, I left home with no money, no place at uni, no job and no place to live. I managed to find my feet, now I want to move onto something else, no just sat behind a desk all day like I am now. I can't thing of anything better than a tour in the 'stan to liven things up a bit. :)
 

The_Duke

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#18
msr said:
jwhred said:
I want to go to sandhurst straight after uni,
Even more reason not to do it. You should be out enjoying yourself and doing all the things you will not be able to do when you have signed up.

This is the time to develop a 'well rounded' personality.

msr
jwhred,

If you are going to be skint, and want to earn a few quid on your gap year, it is as good a way as any - certainly beats stacking shelves! You will also have the other 3 years of your degree to do the wild partying that Msr is advocating.

As for the soldier before officer bit - it can be of use, but is not essential by any means.

Remember - you don't have to have been kicked hard in the bollocks to understand that it will hurt.
 
#20
Before you commit to it, bear in mind that you might spend the better part of a year in a battalion and may come away sorely disappointed if your sole reason for taking a gap year is to go somewhere hot and sandy. You might also end up spending most of your money if you do that.

Also think of going back to your thrid year at university when most of your friends will have left. You'll need someone new to live with, someone new to explain things/do group work with/ go on the lash with.

Not that I'm trying to dissuade you.

Try joining 4 Para in your first year at Uni. If you still like it and want to go away then the option will still be there. You'll also be more clued up as to what you'll likely end up doing if you do ftrs when the time comes.
 

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