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'37 Patt webbing question.

#2
IIRC the bottom two slots are for the web strap from the yoke, passed through in normal fashion. The top slot is for the hook on the small pack straps (it worked in a similar way to the 58 patt large pack but actually had a strap connecting to the bottom of the pack as well so the small pack could be worn without the rest of the webbing). It's a long time since I was issued it (in the cadets).
 
#3
Thanks, yeah... That's the way the much smaller British buckle fastens and you can of course do it with these, but you're left with a big sticky uppy brass thing that sits well proud of the pouch. Just looks untidy.

Cheers for the input.
 
#4
IIRC the bottom two slots are for the web strap from the yoke, passed through in normal fashion. The top slot is for the hook on the small pack straps (it worked in a similar way to the 58 patt large pack but actually had a strap connecting to the bottom of the pack as well so the small pack could be worn without the rest of the webbing). It's a long time since I was issued it (in the cadets).
Bailey is right. The braces threaded through the lower gaps, the hook on the small pack's 'L'-shaped straps hooked in to the top slot.

 

Schaden

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#5
Patt 37 was actually rather good for it's day - add a couple of straps to the pack and get a better (say German) entrenching tool with a battle handbag and you have something better than most everyone else at the time...water bottle was a bit dire though...
 
#6
Mmm, yes, but - Biscuits Brown is right - the buckle design is different from the standard ones. I don't think I have seen anything like it on Karkee Web - a quick email to them might elicit some information.
 
#7
I'm fairly certain Bailey has it bang-on, it just looks gash (to my eye) when it's all fitted together because there's this (relatively) big chunk of brass hanging off the cross straps. particularly if you asssemble it in 'fighting order' without the small pack. For comparison, this it the standard British buckle.

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#10
Patt 37 was actually rather good for it's day - add a couple of straps to the pack and get a better (say German) entrenching tool with a battle handbag and you have something better than most everyone else at the time...water bottle was a bit dire though...
It was designed with for a German style shovel, but it was binned after Dunkirk and they went back to the WW1 style pick/mattock affair. The flat shovel was no use in anything other than loose soil. Never a problem for Ze Germans as they always seemed to take over after a few weeks anyway!
 
#11
Again, and I may be wrong, but there was sufficient space in different configurations to have both the small pack on top with rolled poncho and large pack below in FSMO.
 
#12
Again, and I may be wrong, but there was sufficient space in different configurations to have both the small pack on top with rolled poncho and large pack below in FSMO.
Hmm... Any idea how it the Large pack would be attached? Utility straps maybe?
I've seen the large pack worn on the webbing and the small pack worn as a side pack, almost literally like a handbag.
 
#15
Looks like the difference will be how the buckle is attached to the pouch. There's a "tunnel" to pass the end of the brace down the back on the Brit version. If the Canuk one hasn't got that, the brace end still needs to come out on the rear, so it needs an extra slot.

You can't roll the brace ends if you're going to attach a water bottle, or the small pack on the side when you're wearing the "capacious" large pack.

Both the large pack and small pack have web tabs to take the D buckles. Not sure about the lower detail, all I can remember it having was the web loops you threaded the thin utility type straps through to turn it into the usual stand alone rucksack. Every school kid used a cheapo copy to carry their books 'n PE kit when I was a youff.
 
#16
Looks like the difference will be how the buckle is attached to the pouch. There's a "tunnel" to pass the end of the brace down the back on the Brit version. If the Canuk one hasn't got that, the brace end still needs to come out on the rear, so it needs an extra slot.

You can't roll the brace ends if you're going to attach a water bottle, or the small pack on the side when you're wearing the "capacious" large pack.

Both the large pack and small pack have web tabs to take the D buckles. Not sure about the lower detail, all I can remember it having was the web loops you threaded the thin utility type straps through to turn it into the usual stand alone rucksack. Every school kid used a cheapo copy to carry their books 'n PE kit when I was a youff.
Same when I were a lad.

The pouch has the tunnel for the fly end of the cross strap, they're odd they sit higher than British, the C-clips being lower down and the buckle just looks daft. Oh well job, jobbed anyway.

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#17
Looking at that it's just the same. The difference is that buckle broadens to spread the weight whereas the other version has a webbing spreader that attaches on the middle bar like a conventional buckle. It also has the quick release gap, be marginally interesting to know if that varies on the other buckles.
 
#19
Patt 37 was actually rather good for it's day - add a couple of straps to the pack and get a better (say German) entrenching tool with a battle handbag and you have something better than most everyone else at the time...water bottle was a bit dire though...
I always thought the Spam stuff looked well, almost modern. And still focussed on easy access to rifle ammo, rather like in the Brit 08. But I guess the 2 bren mags per rifleman had to be carried somewhere, hence the larger ammo pouches

What was the packing order for the universal pouches? ISTR one side had 2x BREN mags, other side spare socks + bandoleer + something else?
 

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