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302 Iranian Revolutionary Guard killed


Just in, 302 Iranian Revolutionary Guard killed in Antanov crash flying from the Iran- Pakistan border to Terhan.

That will put back any plans Iran had to support Iraq in the forth-coming scrum-down!


And in a totally unrelated incident:

Pakistan s air force chief killed  

A Pakistani air force plane has crashed in a remote north-western region, killing all 17 people on board, including the chief of the air force. Rescue crews were at the crash site near Kohat, 150 miles north-west of the capital Islamabad, Air Commodore Sarfraz Ahmad said. There were no survivors. Air Force Chief Mushaf Ali Mir was visiting Kohat to inspect an air base when the plane went down. The skies were overcast, Ahmad said, although there was no immediate clues as to what had caused the crash. An inquiry has been launched.  

Tom Clancy will be writing the sequel this autumn.....


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it would appear that the Iranian's have been having alot of problems with Antonov's recently.


Just in, US loose missile in Gulf region. :eek:

Bush states we are not concerned as there’s nothing of any consequences in the region. ;D
Oh man,

This is all starting to read like Rogue Spear...

"It is 2003, and the world is a very dangerous place".....
That's odd......

Most of the PAF officers were unhappy with the Air Chief, it appeared. This would be something not very pleasant for Air Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir to hear, if he is at all worried. At times when the armed forces need to be very alert and ready, with the officers ready to perform their national duty with a sense of honor and pride, such ill feelings in senior ranks of the force against their own chief are bad news.

Many officers, LampPost learnt, spoke with Khalid Khawaja and openly criticized the CASA deal, not only because kickbacks were involved but because the aircraft itself was sub standard and not fit for the tough tasks required by the PAF. "They have really harmed the air force interests by making this deal. This plane is not even worth 10 million dollars each," a well respected and the most qualified officer in the PAF in the field of transport aircraft, commented.

The actual loss list, sounds like a lot of Pakistans Top Crabs ....

PAF Air Chief Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir, his wife, Air Marshal Salim Nawaz, Air Marshal Razzaq, Air Commodore Jawed and Air Commodore Raja Rizwan were among the plane crash victims
But this is more scary....

From the Pakistani Military Forum

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer

TEHRAN, Iran - An Iranian military plane carrying 302 members of the elite Revolutionary Guards crashed in the mountains of southeastern Iran on Wednesday, killing all on board in the country's worst plane crash ever, state-run media reported.

The plane was en route from Zahedan, on the Pakistan border, to Kerman, about 500 miles southeast of Tehran, state-run Tehran television reported. It crashed in a mountainous area about 20 miles from its destination.

The Russian-made Antonov airliner operated by Turkey's military lost contact with the control tower at 5:30 p.m. Wednesday, according to the reports.

Large pinch of salt needed with that I think. Wasn't aware the Turkish, or even Turkmenistani Air Force operated the aircraft..

From same source

Iranian-backed forces cross into Iraq
By Najmeh Bozorgmehr in Tehran and Guy Dinmore in Washington
Published: February 18 2003 21:48 | Last Updated: February 19 2003 1:43

Iranian-backed Iraqi opposition forces have crossed into northern Iraq from Iran with the aim of securing the frontier in the event of war, according to senior Iranian officials.

The forces, numbering up to 5,000 troops, with some heavy equipment, are nominally under the command of Ayatollah Mohammad Baqir al-Hakim, a prominent Iraqi Shia Muslim opposition leader who has been based in Iran since 1980 and lives in Tehran.

A US State Department official said he was aware of reports that part of Ayatollah Hakim's Badr brigade had crossed into northern Iraq but declined further comment. Analysts close to the administration of President George W. Bush said the US was concerned about the intentions of this new element in an increasingly complicated patchwork of forces in northern Iraq.

Turkey has long had a limited military presence in northern Iraq, and US special forces began moving into the region several months ago. The Badr brigade has been trained and equipped by Iran's Revolutionary Guards and could be regarded as a proxy force of the Iranian government.

Iranian officials insist that force's role in the north is defensive but its presence will exacerbate the concerns of the US and especially the Arab world that military intervention in Iraq will lead to a permanent disintegration of the country. Through inserting a proxy force, Iran is underlining that it cannot be ignored in future discussions over Iraq's make-up.

Ayatollah Hakim's forces had previously been based in southern Iran, close to Iraq. Two months ago they began moving into the area of northern Iraq governed by the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), one of two Kurdish parties that rule an area the size of Switzerland outside Baghdad's control.

A senior Iranian official, who asked not to be named, said the presence of Ayatollah Hakim's troops was defensive and aimed at countering a possible attack on Iran by the People's Mujahideen Organisation (MKO), an Iranian opposition group based in Iraq and strongly supported by President Saddam Hussein.

Another official said the Badr force had moved into an area near Darbandikhan, a depopulated and rugged stretch of hills and ravines about 15 miles from the closest point on the Iranian border.

The MKO used Iraqi territory to mount attacks on Iran during the 1980-88 war between Iran and Iraq. The Kurdish parties controlling northern Iraq have also expressed fears that Mr Hussein would try to use the MKO against them in the event of a US-led invasion of Iraq.

Ayatollah Hakim is the head of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (Sciri), a mainly Shia Muslim group that fought in the failed 1991 uprising against Baghdad in southern Iraq. More recently Sciri has taken part in talks between the Iraqi opposition and the US.

His office in Tehran denied that the Badr brigade had moved into northern Iraq but said Sciri had maintained forces in that region for several years, gathered from Iraqi Shia who had fled the Iraqi regime. A representative of the PUK also denied there had been a recent movement across the border but confirmed a presence of Sciri forces.


Most news sources (including PPRuNe, fount of truth and wisdom..or should that be wisod'em!) now say 'twas an Ilyushin 76, although some doubt and say an Il-86 (a very different aeroplane). Aeroplanes do seem to be falling out of the sky in that part of the world...wonder if any bullets have been going up! After all, Pakistani generals have a tendency to die in air crashes "in mysterious circs" when other Pakistani generals dislike them...

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