3 RGR reforming?

Cyberhacker

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I've seen a couple of snippets, which seem to suggest that a new Gurkha Battalion (3 RGR?) is being formed, as a fifth Specialist Infantry Battalion

Anyone got any gen?

Assuming this will be in Aldershot, with the other four, I'm not sure where they'll squeeze them in?
 
I've seen a couple of snippets, which seem to suggest that a new Gurkha Battalion (3 RGR?) is being formed, as a fifth Specialist Infantry Battalion

Anyone got any gen?

Assuming this will be in Aldershot, with the other four, I'm not sure where they'll squeeze them in?
If that is correct, I find it a depressing fact.
As much as I respect and honour the Gurkhas for their capability and dedication, it is a crying shame we cannot raise as good a battalion, in the same time frame, from our own youth.

Is it just a question of doing it 'on the cheap' ?
 

chimera

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Easy to recruit; easy to disband. Rather like the GRCs a few years back.
 
If that is correct, I find it a depressing fact.
As much as I respect and honour the Gurkhas for their capability and dedication, it is a crying shame we cannot raise as good a battalion, in the same time frame, from our own youth.

Is it just a question of doing it 'on the cheap' ?
Gurkhas are no longer cheap.
 
If that is correct, I find it a depressing fact.
As much as I respect and honour the Gurkhas for their capability and dedication, it is a crying shame we cannot raise as good a battalion, in the same time frame, from our own youth.

Is it just a question of doing it 'on the cheap' ?
My bold, its not as good as they pretend.

I cant remember the exact figures but its something like 20000 Nepalese apply for 200 or so spaces in Gurkhas every year. Possibly something to do with the fact that the average yearly wage in Nepal is about 300 quid a year and social security is a scarcity.

Where as in the rest of the army we have cut numbers, employed about 10k of foreigners, let biffs stay in, extended the the minimum commitment and added V-Eng, yet still cant recruit enough people.
 

poo_finger

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Makes sense as none of the current SPIB’s have a footprint in the Far East AO. (Assuming that would be their AO that is, abit of Support and Influence to friendly nations in that area would only benefit us)
 
Gurkhas are no longer cheap.
Not in relation to their direct costs/wages but if I was cynical i would suggest its cheaper to recruit the Nepalese than it is to spend money getting the rest of the army in a better condition so that we appeal to our own civilians to join.
 
I cant remember the exact figures but its something like 20000 Nepalese apply for 200 or so spaces in Gurkhas every year. Possibly something to do with the fact that the average yearly wage in Nepal is about 300 quid a year and social security is a scarcity.

Where as in the rest of the army we have cut numbers, employed about 10k of foreigners, let biffs stay in, extended the the minimum commitment and added V-Eng, yet still cant recruit enough people.
I'll sign on again no probs. Gear's ready....just waiting for a call :salut::D
 
I've seen a couple of snippets, which seem to suggest that a new Gurkha Battalion (3 RGR?) is being formed, as a fifth Specialist Infantry Battalion

Anyone got any gen?

Assuming this will be in Aldershot, with the other four, I'm not sure where they'll squeeze them in?
Hardly "reforming" since 3 RGR has never existed.(edit: wrong! Mea culpa)

More to the point would be where all the offrs and SNCOs are going to come from since the SIBn's are largely offrs and SNCOs with very few junior ranks.

With only two bns to choose from and less than half the number of British officers than Brit bns, and the other SIBns recruiting from four or five bns, that means that an almost unbelievable number of Gurkhas (over a third of each bn) will be promoted almost overnight, from JNCO through to Major.
 
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Makes sense as none of the current SPIB’s have a footprint in the Far East AO. (Assuming that would be their AO that is, abit of Support and Influence to friendly nations in that area would only benefit us)
How, exactly, does it make sense?

Gurkhas are not nearly as respected in the Far East as they and those who have little experience of them or the Far East like to imagine.

They haven't been in Hong Kong for over twenty years, they're little known in Brunei outside the south where they're kept isolated from the local population and the GRU are better known as ageing security guards, and the GCSP in Singapore are increasingly unpopular, kept isolated largely except for their children who go to local schools and are part of the reason for their unpopularity, and again they're known a a police / security force not a military one, and it's not the easy sell it may appear.

Add in that most of the 'friendly nations in that area' will be distinctly unimpressed by being trained by a group of Hindus and you're looking at them needing large amounts of aid just to make our military assistance acceptable.
 
Are you sure about that?

I see to recall that the four named battalions merged into three RGR battalions in 1994-ish, before consolidating to two a few years later?

But I could be wrong?
Actually you're quite right and I'm entirely wrong -- 3 RGR did indeed exist during the drawdown, from 1994 to 1996.

My mistake, I'd forgotten, and thanks for correcting me. My apologies.
 
Following Indian Independence in 1947, there were ten Regiments of Gurkhas in what was, prior to this date, the British Indian Army. India retained 6 Regiments each of two Battalions. The United Kingdom retained the remaining four, each of two Battalions, shown below.

In 1994, the four remaining Battalions of Gurkhas in British Army Service, 2nd King Edwards VII Own Gurkha Rifles (The Sirmoor Rifles), 6th Queen Elizabeths Own Gurkha Rifles, 7th Duke of Edinburgh's Own Gurkha Rifles and 10th Princess Mary's Own Gurkha Rifles amalgamated to form 1st and 2nd Battalions Royal Gurkha Rifles.

1st/2nd and 2nd/2nd King Edwards VII Own Gurkha Rifles (The Sirmoor Rifles), originally formed from the amalgamated 1st and 2nd Battalions in 1992 to form 1st Battalion 2nd King Edward VII Own Gurkha Rifles,

6th Gurkha Rifles (retitled 6th Queen Elizabeth's Own Gurkha Rifles in 1959), like the other Regiments, originally had four Battalions, but on Independence in 1946 had lost its 4th Battalion on disbandment. The 3rd Battalion was transferred to the Indian Army, and in 1969, the 1st and 2nd Battalions amalgamated to form the 1st Battalion.

1st/7th and 2nd/7th Duke of Edinburgh's Gurkha Rifles amalgamated in 1970 to form a single Battalion, and 1st/7th deployed to the Falklands with the Task Force as part of 5 Infantry Brigade.

In 1946/1947, the 3rd and 4th Battalions of 10th Gurkha Rifles disbanded prior to Independence. 1st and 2nd Battalions became part of the British Brigade of Gurkhas. The Regiment's title was amended in 1950 in Honour of HRH Princess Mary, the Princess Royal.
The remaining Battalions amalgamated in 1968.
 
Following Indian Independence in 1947, there were ten Regiments of Gurkhas in what was, prior to this date, the British Indian Army. India retained 6 Regiments each of two Battalions. The United Kingdom retained the remaining four, each of two Battalions, shown below.

In 1994, the four remaining Battalions of Gurkhas in British Army Service, 2nd King Edwards VII Own Gurkha Rifles (The Sirmoor Rifles), 6th Queen Elizabeths Own Gurkha Rifles, 7th Duke of Edinburgh's Own Gurkha Rifles and 10th Princess Mary's Own Gurkha Rifles amalgamated to form 1st and 2nd Battalions Royal Gurkha Rifles.

1st/2nd and 2nd/2nd King Edwards VII Own Gurkha Rifles (The Sirmoor Rifles), originally formed from the amalgamated 1st and 2nd Battalions in 1992 to form 1st Battalion 2nd King Edward VII Own Gurkha Rifles,

6th Gurkha Rifles (retitled 6th Queen Elizabeth's Own Gurkha Rifles in 1959), like the other Regiments, originally had four Battalions, but on Independence in 1946 had lost its 4th Battalion on disbandment. The 3rd Battalion was transferred to the Indian Army, and in 1969, the 1st and 2nd Battalions amalgamated to form the 1st Battalion.

1st/7th and 2nd/7th Duke of Edinburgh's Gurkha Rifles amalgamated in 1970 to form a single Battalion, and 1st/7th deployed to the Falklands with the Task Force as part of 5 Infantry Brigade.

In 1946/1947, the 3rd and 4th Battalions of 10th Gurkha Rifles disbanded prior to Independence. 1st and 2nd Battalions became part of the British Brigade of Gurkhas. The Regiment's title was amended in 1950 in Honour of HRH Princess Mary, the Princess Royal.
The remaining Battalions amalgamated in 1968.
Thanks for the potted history, but it's incomplete - I was wrong. I really was!

Edit : just re-read the 'history' and there are a number of other pretty glaring errors / ommissions too.
 
3 RGR has never gone away; they’re just known as the MPGS, which is a very Gurkha heavy organisation!
 
My bold, its not as good as they pretend.

I cant remember the exact figures but its something like 20000 Nepalese apply for 200 or so spaces in Gurkhas every year. Possibly something to do with the fact that the average yearly wage in Nepal is about 300 quid a year and social security is a scarcity.

Where as in the rest of the army we have cut numbers, employed about 10k of foreigners, let biffs stay in, extended the the minimum commitment and added V-Eng, yet still cant recruit enough people.
This year it was 10,000 for 320 places

As Janes says "as part of a drive to compensate for continuing poor recruitment and retention among its home-recruited units."

also saves on the Army's marketing budget:
The figures, unearthed using a written parliamentary question reveal the Army spent £6,463,372 “on advertising and marketing for recruitment purposes” in 2015, rising to £6,698,303 in 2016 and rocketing to £10,011,284 in the first nine months of this year(2017).
Don't forget to add this year's budget has touchy-feely ads on top.

POSIWID - in this case BG shoring up manning gaps for 3 years in a row now - looks like a place filled now on the slightly cheaper is better than an empty space.

Remember all this from 2016?
https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/ghurka-brigade-reportedly-to-be-enlarged-by-25.259207/
gba recruitment.jpg


What's next? Teach them to drive Tanks.... think the Shiny 8th have used T72s in the Indian Army?
 

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