3 dead, 2 injured in Hertfordshire shooting.

A three year old girl survived unharmed a shooting in her home that left three men dead and two women seriously injured. 8O

Police have said this was not random act of violance - the victims were deliberately targeted.

Can't make the Link work... :oops:
Stephanie said:
bumhole said:
cpunk said:
Bugly said:
It's their culture innit.
Whose culture?
The BBC report does mention two men from a specific background.....
Thought that was the trail Bugly was going on, but when you got 11 year old white boys being shot its hard to say really init.
Not if you're a racist obsessed with Muslims, innit.

(not you btw, steph).


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I suspect that the copper saying something about how he understands how this may upset 'The Community' may have something to do with it.

PC PC-speak is not used in indigenous areas, as a: there is no community, and b: they don't have to hedge their career bets.

I suspect statement PC is being careful to avoid 'sensibilities' and this leads one to the obvious conclusion that they aint middle class whiteys.
Chap_in_black said:
why isnt nothing being done!?
Surely nothing is precisely what is being done? On the other hand, if you mean why isn't something being done, it would be helpful to know what you mean by 'something'.
Chap_in_black said:
What the fk is up with this country and why isnt nothing being done!?

Nothing is up with the Country,its the best in the world,its just some of the assholes that live in it!
No need to worry, Darwinism will take care of them all eventually.
Chap_in_black said:
What the fk is up with this country and why isnt nothing being done!?
Too true, but when the exact same statement applys to the NHS, the Forces, the Wars, crime, drugs, overcrowded prisons, human rights, Cuts in this cuts in that, the list is endless - where do you start?

When the current government keep digging the holes deeper and the public continue to lose hope or interest then what can be done.

We'd be better off opening the gates to this country and start afresh somewhere else. Bliar and Broon - your banned!!
Rumpelstiltskin said:
Stephanie said:
bumhole said:
cpunk said:
Bugly said:
It's their culture innit.
Whose culture?
The BBC report does mention two men from a specific background.....
Thought that was the trail Bugly was going on, but when you got 11 year old white boys being shot its hard to say really init.
Not if you're a racist obsessed with Muslims, innit.

(not you btw, steph).
I didnt mention muslims.... I simply said what the BBC had reported old suasage. If you have an issue with that take it up with BBC.
from This is London website:
Tories finally get tough: Cameron pledges zero tolerance on crime
David Cameron is launching a 'mini-manifesto' on law and order
David Cameron today pledges a zero-tolerance approach to all crime along with a major prisonbuilding programme.

The Tory leader will "relentlessly focus" on graffiti, anti-social behaviour and the other minor crimes which can lead to more serious offending.

Making his most significant policy pledges yet, Mr Cameron promises that if put in power he would end the "mockery" of criminals being released early.

Initially, prison ships and disused army camps will be used to ensure inmates see out their sentences. In the longer term, more prisons would be built.

Writing in the Daily Mail, Mr Cameron also pledged to call for a nationwide "fightback" against social breakdown. He wants to:

• Set minimum sentences for all crimes;
• Make the police accountable to local people;

• Tear up Labour's 24-hour drinking laws;
• Impose tougher rules on violent films, music and video games;

• Support marriage through the tax and benefits system;

The package was seen in Westminster as a clear sign that Mr Cameron is gearing up for a possible early election and wants to build on a clear poll lead on law and order issues.

He insisted yesterday he was ready for an election, whether it comes in "two months or two years", and sought to contrast the Conservatives' approach with that of "same old Labour and the same old spin".

The focus on crime will delight Tory MPs who have been desperate for their leader to unveil concrete policy proposals on what they see as the leading concern for many voters.

In today's article, Mr Cameron argues that the "shock of today" over the recent spate of murders must not be allowed to turn into "a shrug tomorrow".

"We all have to rise up and fight back against the scourge of violent crime," he said.

The "brutal and tragic" murder of 11-year-old Rhys Jones in Liverpool must serve as a "line in the sand" for British society, he insists.

He rounds on Home Secretary Jacqui Smith for rejecting his claim that British society is increasingly "broken".

"In the last ten years, violent crime has doubled and gun violence has increased four-fold," he says. "What's more, aggression, foul language, disrespect and general delinquency is an all too common part of everyday life."

"I am calling on the country to say enough is enough." Most significantly, Mr Cameron commits the party to a "zero-tolerance" approach to anti-social behaviour, knife and gun crime modelled on a successful scheme in New York.

It will involve increasing the police presence on the streets, raising the involvement of communities in policing and concentrating on low-level disorder which can lead youngsters into a spiral of crime.

For more serious crimes, however, the Conservative leader says there can be "only one option - prison".

"The problem today is that we do not convict and lock up enough criminals. Why? Because we don't have enough space," he says.

In a bold move, judges would be given the right to impose minimum as well as maximum sentences. Offenders would not get parole.

The Tories say the move would restore "honesty" in sentencing, arguing that trust in the courts is being undermined by the fact that a criminal sentenced to 12 months is usually out after little more than five.

The party is pledging an end to Labour's early-release scheme, creating additional emergency capacity by buying prison ships and converting disused army camps.

The Tory leader wants to ban violent video games in his fight against crime

In the longer term, the party is committing itself to building "more prison places".

Reducing overcrowding, Tories say, is part of the key to reducing reoffending by ex-prisoners - which now accounts for half of all crime.

Prisons should be more than "human warehouses" and should become places of "education, hard work, rehabilitation and restoration".

Under a Conservative government, the obligation on police to keep a written record every time they stop someone in the street would be scrapped.

Elected "crime commissioners" would be created to set local force budgets and strategy.

Companies which make film, music videos and computer games featuring "extreme, casual and callous violence" could be subject to tighter controls to stop them corrupting the young.

"Music companies, games manufacturers and television producers must not seek to profit by endlessly pushing the boundaries of acceptableviolence," Mr Cameron argues.

He is pledging a review of the regulatory framework governing films and video games to ensure "violence and misogyny" are not promoted to youngsters.

Labour's reform of licensing laws to allow all-night drinking, which came into effect in November 2005, will also be reviewed.

A Conservative "mini-manifesto" on crime and disorder, published last night, says it is clear the change has not introduced the "cafe culture" ministers envisaged.

More than a million people were the victims of alcohol-related crime last year and Home Office figures show a 22 per cent increase in the most serious violent crimes committed between 3am and 6am.

While licensing hours should continue to be "staggered", the Tories are now pledging a review to give local councils and residents greater powers over closing times.

Councils should be allowed to impose a "terminal" hour across an area, meaning alcohol must not be sold after a fixed time.

Locals would be given a greater say and pubs and bars made responsible for rowdy customers outside their premises.

Councils could also get new powers to stop "irresponsible" drinks promotions by off-licences and supermarkets.

Mr Cameron argues parents must take more responsibility for bringing up their children and fathers who 'run away from their responsibilities' should be shunned as the "selfish people they are".

But a Conservative government would act to "strengthen families through the tax and benefit system", he says.

This is the clearest signal yet that the party will propose tax breaks for married couples at its party conference this autumn.

The Tories yesterday repeated pledges to abolish the Human Rights Act, which they say has helped tilt the criminal justice system in favour of the criminal.

They would also create a UK border police force and give magistrates greater powers over sentencing.

my bold - surely there are minimum and maximum sentences in the Judge's guidelines already? and what are Police Authorities if not accountable to the local community? Mr Cameron is not impressing me so far...............I ant a viable alternative to Labour - not someone to vote for half heartedley as the lesser of two evils.
The knife and gun crime situation has come about directly as a result of the police reducing stop and search due to being accused of being institutionally racist.

All those dead black kids can thank the CRE methinks.

Seems to me our guest communities have far more to fear from themselves than from us nasty institutionally racist white folk.

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