3.7m Population Increase 2001-2011

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  1. I wonder if they got the decimal point in the right place.....
  2. People leaving silly little countries who have become sick of their silly little despot?. I'm seeing more Jockanese all the time.
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  3. It was good of me to leave and thus free up 4 spaces for the net migrants. I hope you are enjoying them as much as I am enjoying not living in the UK.
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  4. City Eye: Facts on a plate: our population is at least 77 million

    It is the statistic that dare not speak its name, though eventually it must. It has huge ramifications for the civil and political life of this country, the health of the equity markets and, most immediately, the residential property market. So don't forget you read it here first: the population of the UK is presently somewhere between 77 and 80 million.

    The 2001 census, already hopelessly out of date and easy to avoid for those who find filling in forms a trifle inelegant, numbered us at a little under 59 million. But as statistics go, that one's most definitely a damned lie.

    My sources for the above statement are good, but scared of admitting the truth for fear of incurring the wrath of Whitehall. It's like the best way of monitoring illegal drug consumption: forget the pious statements from ministers – the foolproof method is to sample our water and the effluent in it. That's easily the best way of monitoring what the nation has been consuming.

    Consumption – that's the thing. Based on what we eat, one big supermarket chain reckons there are 80 million people living in the UK. The demand for food is a reliable indicator; as Sir Richard Branson says, you can have all the money in the world but you can only eat onelunch and one dinner.

    The supermarket in question was privately lobbying the Competition Commission to let it grow its market share. The argu- ment, reasonably enough, was that the market was far bigger than the regulator realised, so expanding the network was fair.

    I have a second, respectable, source. A major, non-commercial agricultural institution reckons there are 77 million of us in the UK. Again, its reckoning is based on what we eat.

    That faint background noise you're hearing as you read this is the sound of everyone slithering off the record. Why? In political terms, standing behind these figures would be to toss a hand grenade into a vat of gasoline. People would be hounded out of a job for scaremongering.

    The Office for National Statistics' figures, published last week, predict a population of 75 million by 2051. It's an honest estimate but horribly wide of the mark because number counting doesn't work effectively. If you want to know how many there are of us, ask a food firm.

    If the true numbers were revealed, the Little Englanders and xenophobes would come out in force about the evils of immigration. But that's what made America great in the 19th century, and it's a driving force of our economy right now. It's also anti-inflationary.

    David Buik, a money manager with broker BGC Partners, was talking of "one million Eastern Europeans unaccounted for in London" on television last week. I suspect he's right if somewhat conservative in his estimate. How many do you see working in the construction industry and waiting at tables?

    And when I say "anti-inflationary", I mean they are getting rotten wages. Dignified by the term "cheap labour", the hidden hordes will do well for the services sector, among others. People are assets – to maintain and to be maintained – so we are wealthier as a nation.

    All of which is reflected in strong economic demand and markets see-sawing between optimism over what we all see on the streets (that 77 million figure feels right to me) and the possibility of something nasty if the Bank of England credit-crunch prognosis is correct (to echo last week, I think next spring will be unpleasant).

    As for housing, property magnates and chief executives of housing associations alike say the expanding population means serious demand for the foreseeable future, credit crunch or no. Next week, I'll look at the detail of this argumen

    City Eye: Facts on a plate: our population is at least 77 million - Business Comment - Business - The Independent

  5. I did. It was a rhetorical question.
  6. Damned lies. 77 million dinners does not equate to 77 million diners.
  7. When I read of where you are now I get the mental picture of a rush hour in the morning at bank tube station, four lonely figures on
    the down escalator... fu**ing thousands of the way up...'Saffers.. don't u jus luv em',, :)

  8. Where do the figures mention 77 dinners equals 77 diners?
    The food industry has far and away the best analysts for sales, demographics and market predictions, vastly better trained, paid and talented than any governments. They get it wrong, the retailers build shops that have no market for and they get fired.
    If they are saying they have a market for around 77 million people to sell food to, and all the major food retailers are building new stores across the country like gangbusters, and I'll take Tesco analysts over Chamondly-Warners every time.
    Add in the fact that Government has admitted there are millions of live NI numbers far in excess of census figures than they can account for, the rather obvious massive increase in populations across the country, and the governments fantasy that we've only grown by a few million in a decade is just that, a wish fulfilment fantasy.
    Of course we could pretend that everyone throws away a very large percentage of everything they buy each week so the governments figures tally up, but that's rather a reach.
  9. i thought it was a pretty poor article tbh, i think he's probably right and that the census does underestimate the number of people in the UK but he makes a very poor argument for it. he says that he doesnt trust the office for national statistics figures because they are pursuing their own agenda then states that he will trust the data provided by a private company which backs said private companies argument for increasing its market share which seems a bit inconsistant.

    also when it suits him he guestimates figures in the millions (i dont care where you're standing you cant just walk down a highstreet and say "yeah, i reckon there's 77 million people in the UK") which is pretty poor.
  10. I didn't say they did, I merely pointed out an obvious factor which many people may have overlooked. Other than that, what DD said.
  11. Good job the land mass of U, its agricultural output and ability to sustain it's population got bigger too...

    I remember when all this was fields...
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  12. **** off indy, america was great in the 19th century, it's a trip today, so is this country, socially and economically. why administer cancer as a cure?
    I would rather live in a stable and happy society than an economy that is constantly invaded by foriegners,
    you cry xenophobe, I cry localphobe,
    another sad truth is the self sufficiency issue, we are growing ever more reliant on others and the country's population increases??

    mind you global immigrantion has never been worse, and yet socially and economically; everything is in freefall.

    how influenced is the independant by the marxist ideal though?
    that emboldened bit? is this chap suggesting that our government withholds information from us? ¬__¬