29 Nov 19: London Bridge sealed off amid reports of gunfire . . .

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In that theoretical model it would have prevented last fridays attack.

It turns out he had a previous conviction for plotting terrorism , so would have been strung up, and deservidly so.

Wouldn't have been able to do it again.

And I think this is the point.
Never mind deterrence, never mind the fact they want to become a martyr. Hang them before they have another go, and save some innocent lives in the process.
Except for one tiny flaw in your argument. It is vanishingly unlikely that the original offence would be a capital crime. Perhaps in some dystopian Alt-Right fantasy world run by Judge Dredd or Dread it might be, but not in Britain.

Long sentence with hard labour would have been most likely in the past under the Defence of the Realm Act 1914 (as amended) and Treachery Act 1940. Those that were executed under DORA were foreign nationals caught spying. Irish Nationalists - who were British Subjects - caught plotting sabotage and terrorist campaigns received long sentences.
 
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Except for one tiny flaw in your argument. It is vanishingly unlikely that the original offence would be a capital crime. Perhaps in some dystopian Alt-Right fantasy world run by Judge Dread it might be, but not in Britain.

Long sentence with hard labour would have been most likely in the past under the Defence of the Realm Act 1914 (as amended) and Treachery Act 1940. Those that were executed under DORA were foreign nationals caught spying. Irish Nationalists - who were British Subjects - caught plotting sabotage and terrorist campaigns received long sentences.
Judge Dread (singer of spoof reggae songs)
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Or Judge Dredd
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Cameras can't search cars though and this is what the chicanes and boxes are for, to allow police to be around at vital spots to do this.
And an actual copper on tbe ground is likely to have a deterrent effect.
 
Whether its DP (short sharp neck based shock not Dolly Buster) or genuine whole life off you pop to a cage the general mood is heading that way.

When you change the demographics of a nation to include people who want to murder people for just existing as they think their god demands it and even greater numbers of savages who will cheerfully kill for the price of a new pair of trainers then attitudes harden.

Liberal approaches to crime and rehabilitation require majority 'there but for the grace of god' consent. Add in ridiculous common purpose PC crap at the highest levels, vastly overpaid by taxpayers defence barristers creaming it from endless appeals for their terrorist clients and politicians telling people that 'it's the pwoud bwitish way' to **** millions of our cash on trying to get obvious scum off the legal hook and you don't have a lot left of your new liberal order.

When it gets shut down it will be swift and brutal. Might not be in my time, but it will happen because the current nonsense is unsustainable.
If that's an argument in favour of capital punishment, it's easily countered.

1. Mistakes have and will always be made.
2. You can't undeadify someone executed in error.
 

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I see that the Daily Mail identifies Extinguisher Man as a former heroin addict out on licence for manslaughter, having had 'his life turned around' by Jack Merritt.

Bloody do-gooder.
Unfortunately the person he killed originally doesn't get a second chance in life to turn things around.
 
Except for one tiny flaw in your argument. It is vanishingly unlikely that the original offence would be a capital crime. Perhaps in some dystopian Alt-Right fantasy world run by Judge Dread it might be, but not in Britain.

Long sentence with hard labour would have been most likely in the past under the Defence of the Realm Act 1914 (as amended) and Treachery Act 1940. Those that were executed under DORA were foreign nationals caught spying. Irish Nationalists - who were British Subjects - caught plotting sabotage and terrorist campaigns received long sentences.
If terrorism increases as time moves on eg a second attempt at a Caliphate, with all the knock-on violence in our cities , attitudes will become less Liberal.

Plotting terrorist outrage is no different to carrying it out, in my opinion.
Continue with this Liberal attitude and when you release them from prison, they will kill again, as demonstrated.
 
How do you regard those who comment about the murder of Fus. Lee Rigby?
It's ok, those who moan about Jo Cox are all XLW. It's a well-known fact and therefore their opinions don't count; additionally her attacker was white. And the guys who attacked Fus Rigby were black and converts to Islam, which makes a huge difference, apparently.

There's different types of being dead at the hands of nutters, on this site.
 
It would simply require the withdrawal from the European Union.

Did you know, the EU still have the Death Penalty, or 'Use of Lethal Force' on the books for crimes such as 'Civil Disorder'. Makes you wonder what they worry about, does it not?
@dingerr has replied accurately. Just to add, the claim that the EU has the Death Penalty “on the books” is a piece of distortion implying that the EU can impose such a penalty “for crimes such as Civil Disorder” through some mysterious draconian courts, no doubt supported by an “EU army”. The reality is merely the rights sensibly provided in the ECHR for police forces etc to use force eg to suppress civil disorder- NOT as a criminal penalty for such disorder. With respect I’m struggling to understand why any member of a UK police force should find that objectionable.
 
Plotting terrorist outrage is no different to carrying it out, in my opinion.
In the eyes of the law, as enacted over about the last 150 years in response to Fenian outrages, it is different. Remember that English law is evolutionary, not revolutionary. There are people on this site much more versed in describing how laws evolve and could attempt to explain why such a reversal is unlikely.
 
In the eyes of the law, as enacted over about the last 150 years in response to Fenian outrages, it is different. Remember that English law is evolutionary, not revolutionary. There are people on this site much more versed in describing how laws evolve and could attempt to explain why such a reversal is unlikely.
I have heard that before but also don't know it in detail.
What I do know is that there are a very disproportionate number of Liberals, positioned in our Upper House, who have over the preceding decades, helped to shape many aspects of our laws, and therefore todays Society.
With all its good, and ills.
 
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