2717 MRAPs for "Homeland Security?"

#1
Of the nearly 9,000 delivered MaxxPro units to the military, the Department of Homeland Security is apparently taking delivery (apparently through the U.S. Army Forces Marine Corps Systems Command, Quantico VA, via the manufacturer – Navistar Defense LLC) of an undetermined number of the recently retrofitted 2,717 ‘Mine Resistant Protected’ MaxxPro MRAP vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.
As these MRAP’s return from overseas/Afghanistan, and although it is apparently unknown exactly how many are being delivered, or have been delivered to DHS, I decided to dig slightly deeper and discover more about the vehicle itself…
The new DHS sanctioned ‘Street Sweeper’ (my own slang due to the gun ports) is built by Navistar Defense (NavistarDefense.com), a division within the Navistar organization.
Under the Navistar umbrella are several other companies including International Trucks, IC Bus (they make school buses), Monaco RV (recreational vehicles), WorkHorse (they make chassis), MaxxForce (diesel engines), and Navistar Financial (the money arm of the company).


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From Navistar Defense:
The International® MaxxPro® is Navistar Defense’s Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicle and incorporates the latest design in armoring technology. Extensively tested by the military and used in theater today, the MaxxPro features a V-shaped hull and other design features that greatly improve survivability.
MaxxPro® MRAP specifications:
Length: 254″ (21.2 feet)
Width: 102″ (8.5 feet)
Height: 120″ (10 feet)
Wheel base: 153″ (12.8 feet)
Curb weight: 37,850 lbs. (18.9 tons)
Engine: MaxxForce® 9.3
The MaxxPro MRAP is built to withstand ballistic arms fire, mine blasts, IEDs, and other emerging threats. Its V-shaped hull helps deflect blasts out and away from the crew and its armoring can be customized to meet any mission requirement.
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The installation contract retrofits 2,717 vintage MaxxPro vehicles (work performed in West Point, Mississippi) with a new rolling chassis. This chassis enhancement included the addition of the DXM™ independent suspension, a MaxxForce® 9.3 engine, and a 570 amp alternator and driveline. The work was completed at the end of May 2012. A subset of the work was completed May 2012, while all work is expected to be complete by the end of October 2013.
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Observations and Questions:

These MRAP’s ARE BEING SEEN ON U.S. STREETS all across America by verified observers with photos, videos, and descriptions.
Regardless of the exact number of MRAP’s being delivered to DHS (and evidently some to POLICE via DHS, as has been observed), why would they need such over-the-top vehicles on U.S. streets to withstand IEDs, mine blasts, and 50 caliber hits to bullet-proof glass? In a war zone… yes, definitely. Let’s protect our men and women. On the streets of America… ?
It is understandable that these may be beneficial to ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) in hot zones on our southern border, however these are being seen all over America, far from her borders…
There are rails along the perimeter windows/gun ports to help displace the impact of RPG rounds… seems a bit much for a Police/Rescue vehicle…
They all have gun ports… Gun Ports? In the theater of war, yes. On the streets of America…?
Seriously, why would DHS need such a vehicle on our streets?
What is DHS expecting or preparing for?

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Grumblegrunt

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#4
good call - dont the USMC have 4000 odd up armoured humvees to get rid of as well?
 
#5
Very bizarre solution though - I'd love to see the user requirement document outlining the rational for this purchase.

The only reason I can think of, and this is very tenious, is that the US give are trying to get the most out of their original investment in using these vehicles in a different role now the in-theatre need is drawing down.

Can't be cheap to run though and there are the reconditioning cost too. Makes you think it would be best to gift them to the host nation rathet than drag them back home?

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#6
Very bizarre solution though - I'd love to see the user requirement document outlining the rational for this purchase.

The only reason I can think of, and this is very tenious, is that the US give are trying to get the most out of their original investment in using these vehicles in a different role now the in-theatre need is drawing down.

Can't be cheap to run though and there are the reconditioning cost too. Makes you think it would be best to gift them to the host nation rathet than drag them back home?

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Call me cynical, but I think cost savings are perhaps the most unlikely reason for this incredible arming of "homeland security" forces that are Law enforcement personnel and NOT members of the military.
 
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count_duckula

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#8
I have the truth, the US Government is planning on subverting its 60m-odd citizens with armed force. Go back to sleep you ******* loons.
 
#10
If I had to drive through downtown Detroit during a riot or storm a compound full of Branch Davidians then I'd want one of these.

Most of the "outrage" is manufactured for partisan political purposes. If Bush had bought these we'd see the same arguments from the other side.

Let's face it, the US is approaching peak tinfoil. The sooner they all speak Spanish or split up and dump Jesusland the better. I miss the old America, the one that was free.
 
#14
If I had to drive through downtown Detroit during a riot or storm a compound full of Branch Davidians then I'd want one of these.

Most of the "outrage" is manufactured for partisan political purposes. If Bush had bought these we'd see the same arguments from the other side.

Let's face it, the US is approaching peak tinfoil. The sooner they all speak Spanish or split up and dump Jesusland the better. I miss the old America, the one that was free.
Perhaps but 2717 of them?


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#15
The border with Mexico is long and drug prohibition related violence is continuing to leak North. Snark aside, my money is on that as the driver. Imagine Mexican cartel levels of violence in US cities, you'd want that class of vehicle.

Increasingly US security commentators - well, those with low levels of partisan tinfoil - are sounding quite grim on the subject. And absent legalisation the money to be made from servicing US drug habits is so good no end is in sight. And with the Mexicans having to tacitly tolerate the trade to preserve the integrity of their nation state it's not going to get any better.
 
#16
The border with Mexico is long and drug prohibition related violence is continuing to leak North. Snark aside, my money is on that as the driver. Imagine Mexican cartel levels of violence in US cities, you'd want that class of vehicle.

Increasingly US security commentators - well, those with low levels of partisan tinfoil - are sounding quite grim on the subject. And absent legalisation the money to be made from servicing US drug habits is so good no end is in sight. And with the Mexicans having to tacitly tolerate the trade to preserve the integrity of their nation state it's not going to get any better.
My "quibble" is not with the vehicle and its potential benefit for some in extremis situations. It is rather the incredible number of them (over 50 per state!). Just as there is no rationAl explanation for DHS ordering over 2 BILLION rounds of .40 cal JHP AND 5.56 ammo.


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Grumblegrunt

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#17
I imagine they get a bulk buy discount or green shield stamps at least.

maybe they expect budget cuts after the fiscal cliff.
 

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