25th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall

Has a country ever existed that did not use money (in modern times)?
obviously people can barter, but currency provides a means of fungible exchange.
Is the answer Wales?
 
There was a prog on BBC 4 last night, part of the BBC’s celebration of the anniversary
It was only as I was watching it that I suddenly thought, in 12 years stationed in Germany I never visited Berlin! 4 of those were before the Wall came down. I can’t believe I never took the opportunity to visit, especially before the wall came down, I have never witnessed driving through CP Alpha, the Berlin Corridor, or seeing CP Charlie. I was definitely not a stay on camp type squaddie, I got out there and explored Germany, but for some reason not Berlin, it’s now on my “priority visit now” list
Ditto
 
By the way. I translated all this (and much more about the Stasi) and submitted it to a former, high-ranking Stasi officer for his opinion. He confirmed my figures.
So how do you explain this, Murf's_Whore?

By the way, your man there can be found here; Startseite IK

How big would you like your portion of humble pie to be, shitlips? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Where in that interesting piece of socialist propoganda does Herr Schmidt verify your figures as you cliamed?
Interstingly enough he does claim that the IM's working for the MfS, did so purely for ideological reasons and not for money, which is why they were so sucsessful. I would suggest that many of them worked for the Stasi not for money or ideology, but because they had no other choice!
I will admit that you appear to have an e mail from a former Stasi officer/colleague, so i appologise for doubting you.(but given your previous, it's hardly surprising I doubt your word) however the e mail does not claim what you have stated, so once again you have bigged yourself up and been caught out.
Never mind eh.
 
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I assume that was because of the quirky article in the “Official Secrets Act” forbidding former members of the British Armed Forces to visit or pass through present of former “Communist” countries.
The "Official Secrets Act" is the absolute bottom rung of the security system ladder for our nation that has to be signed by any person before they even set foot in a military establishment, and that's before the lowest level of vetting is done. Really just an agreement that the person doing the signing will do the right thing thereafter or suffer the consequences.
 

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No way! The GDR was the most Stalinistic of the Warsaw Pact countries. There was a time during the mid to late 1950s that the GDR was well on its way to finding a form of “German Socialism”, but that was nipped in the bud by Walther Ulbricht who, ironically, was dethroned by Honecker for “failing to toe the Moscow line”.
I used the terms 'the Eastern Bloc' and 'communist country' because it is easier to use a generic term. In addition, I was never interested in the flavour of communism or who shafted whom, but just interested in preventing the bastards doing it to us.
 

goodoldboy

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There were never any Germans who “never knew anything but Communism”. But there were a lot of Germans who followed the Socialist ideal (and not only in East Germany). What the East Germans did is to arrange their lives around the GDR regime. It meant that they could live a wholly satisfactory and fulfilling life. If they kept their heads down and screwed the bob, as did millions in the GDR, they never had to worry about the Stasi or any other state authorities. Sure, they liked things to be organised for them, but who doesn’t? During my whole time in the British Army, I never once heard any of the comrades complain that their life was “far too organised”. In stark contrast: it was good to know that you could go to the cookhouse for your scran at mealtimes and know it would be there, it was good to know that the SNCOs had organised various tasks to last out the day and it was good to know when you could finally lay back and relax, change into your civvies and go out on the town. All, essentially, “organised”, but no-one ever complained.

MsG
In the first sentence swap 'communism' for 'that regime' and it should then be more appropriate ...
 
I'm still waiting Bugsy. What part of post #50 was wrong?
 
Your survey does not back up your conclusions.
65% of over 50's in 2016 would be in their 20's when the wall came down and 45% of the 25 - 35 year olds either weren't born or were too young to remember.
It seems "Ostalgie" is rife in the unborn!
Seems the mental division is still as clear as the physical one on the IGB was the last time I drove across it.

'Half of west Germans consider the east a success. Two-thirds of east Germans disagree.'

 
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Your occasional reminder that bypassing the swear-filter in CA attracts all sorts of points: and not in a good way.
 

Tyk

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Your occasional reminder that bypassing the swear-filter in CA attracts all sorts of points: and not in a good way.
You could save a lot of hassle (and crayoning) if you applied a perma ban to him from CA.

Back on topic I admit to being somewhat awestruck when the wall came down, it was compulsive TV at the time and the active worry that the machine guns would be deployed to stop it. Glad it was an unfounded one.
 
I wonder how many hardline former East Germans are now working in the halls and pulling the strings of policy in Brussels, and, how this event affected the events leading up to the signing of Maastricht treaty a few years later?
 
Right up there at the top of my list of postings over the years and feel privileged to have been there whilst the wall was still up. Great memories of amongst other things, Ex Rocking horse, Ruhleben FIBUA complex, Grunewald, Checkpoints Alpha/Charlie, military train, shopping in East Berlin in No2 dress, guarding Rudolph Hess in Spandau prison, swimming in the Havel, marching down the Unter Der Linden with the Yanks and French as part of the annual allied parade, Battalion photograph on the steps of the Reichstag, proper winters and FRIS . Who said the army was dull?

Above all, marching with my Borderer brothers, pipes and drums leading, from the Olympic stadium onto the Mayfield to parade in front of Her Majesty - awesome!
 
Right up there at the top of my list of postings over the years and feel privileged to have been there whilst the wall was still up. Great memories of amongst other things, Ex Rocking horse, Ruhleben FIBUA complex, Grunewald, Checkpoints Alpha/Charlie, military train, shopping in East Berlin in No2 dress, guarding Rudolph Hess in Spandau prison, swimming in the Havel, marching down the Unter Der Linden with the Yanks and French as part of the annual allied parade, Battalion photograph on the steps of the Reichstag, proper winters and FRIS . Who said the army was dull?

Above all, marching with my Borderer brothers, pipes and drums leading, from the Olympic stadium onto the Mayfield to parade in front of Her Majesty - awesome!
Ex “Rocking Horse”...
 
Above all, marching with my Borderer brothers, pipes and drums leading, from the Olympic stadium onto the Mayfield to parade in front of Her Majesty - awesome!
1987 Queen's Birthday parade IIRC.

30 years ago tonight at Checkpoint Charlie

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Actually it was 30 years ago tomorrow night as these photos were taken on the 10th.
 
I wonder how many hardline former East Germans are now working in the halls and pulling the strings of policy in Brussels, and, how this event affected the events leading up to the signing of Maastricht treaty a few years later?
Don't have to be Osties.
In 1949 the Allies decided that france Germany and Italy needed rebuilding fast to withstand an expected soviet invasion.
Thus they stopped prosecuting Nazi war criminals and even released some.
 
I wonder how many hardline former East Germans are now working in the halls and pulling the strings of policy in Brussels, and, how this event affected the events leading up to the signing of Maastricht treaty a few years later?
Angela Merkel was a dab hand at agitation and propaganda

Wasn't she in the Freie Deutsche Jugend (FDJ), the East German Communist equivalent of the Hitler Youth at one point

Eventually becoming the FDJ Secretary for Agitation and Propaganda (“Agitprop”) at the Academy of Sciences in East Berlin
 
Angela Merkel was a dab hand at agitation and propaganda

Wasn't she in the Freie Deutsche Jugend (FDJ), the East German Communist equivalent of the Hitler Youth at one point

Eventually becoming the FDJ Secretary for Agitation and Propaganda (“Agitprop”) at the Academy of Sciences in East Berlin
She learned Russian which meant she intended getting to the top whatever.
Evil bitch.
 
This is well worth an hour's watching - particularly if you are interested enough to be reading this thread . . .

"Thirty years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, the BBC's John Simpson goes back to examine his reports and consider why history did not turn out quite the way he expected".


Note: ONLY 28 days left to watch on "i-play".

Of particular interest was to learn it was all a mistake . . . . and the "fault" of the BBC :) .

Apparently the East German Politburo, had decided to announce the they had decided to relax the conditions for applying for travel visas . . . FAILING TO BRIEF THE(IR) SPOKESMAN, OF THE DATE THE CHANGES WOULD BE INTRODUCED.

The programme shows the press briefing - which apparently was NOT intended to be broadcast live - but which was broadcast live!

The spokesman is asked when the changes ( . . . to the conditions for applying for travel visas . . . ), are to be introduced, and confused/having not been told himself, blurts out "Now".

The live broadcast was being monitored my the BBC, and the information about the travel changes was re-broadcast by the BBC . . . . without any specific details about the necessity (still) to apply for a visa (with different conditions), only that the the "changes" were effective "now".

The populous of East Berlin chose to interpret the information as they wanted, and (as they say), "the-Rest-is-History" . . . :) .
 

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