.22lr pistols to Sec 1 e-petition

#3
The inability of a few people to practice pistol shooting is, in my opinion, outweighed by the benefits of not having the things (even .22) in public ownership, even if those owners have oustandingly high common sense, and the best motives.

But e-petitions do precisely that for me - representation without, er, representation. Political genius.
 
#4
The inability of a few people to practice pistol shooting is, in my opinion, outweighed by the benefits of not having the things (even .22) in public ownership, even if those owners have oustandingly high common sense, and the best motives.
Even though more people have spontaneously combusted than have been killed by legally owned .22 pistols?

Do we remove everything from the public that could cause harm to others?
 
#5
Pray tell VM what are the benefits of not having pistols, even .22, in public ownership? If we want to cut down on accidents and deliberate misuse of potentially hazardous items, then I can think of a dozen things perhaps even more, but pistols are not on that list.
Oh a please not the usual propaganda rubbish. I've heard it all before.


No I don't own a 22 pistol.
 
#6
Actually, whilst I'm ambivalent about the parliamentary time that went into legislating against pistols, I'm pretty sure I don't want them wasting time to rescind it. Same with foxhunting really.

My view is that firearms are a tool, primarily. So I support civil ownership of target rifles and shotguns for personal and commercial purposes, and a sport seems a logical extension of that. IMHO automatic (and semi) weapons belong with the forces and the police - who used to be a force.

.22 pistols as a firearm don't fit. If you want to compete then what's wrong with an air pistol?
 
#7
My view is that firearms are a tool, primarily. So I support civil ownership of target rifles and shotguns for personal and commercial purposes, and a sport seems a logical extension of that. IMHO automatic (and semi) weapons belong with the forces and the police - who used to be a force.

.22 pistols as a firearm don't fit. If you want to compete then what's wrong with an air pistol?
Surely the same argument extends to 'whats wrong with an air rifle?

Most olympic pistol events are, Standard pistol, 5 shot semi auto pistols. Centrefire pistol, again five shot centre fire, Free pistol-single shot pistol.

I don't think you are likely to see a police force or military outfit using a .22 pistol.



Bet you can't find an example of someone being killed by a legally owned one.

The quote about .22 pistols not fitting in is a little ill informed and naive mate
 
#9
Actually, whilst I'm ambivalent about the parliamentary time that went into legislating against pistols, I'm pretty sure I don't want them wasting time to rescind it. Same with foxhunting really.?
I'd rather they spent their time on that than on passing yet more damn fool ideas into law.
 

ugly

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#10
I'd sign a petition going back to pre 1988 laws but also one where the truth regarding Hamilton and Ryan was made public and the plod responsible for approving both their licenses lost their pensions!
 
#11
I wasn't actually suggesting it was right to have them illegal, just that no politician is going to want to vote for repeal of the ban on them. You know how the papers would spin it -

'Mafia Assasin's favourite bullet the .22 is LEGALLY owned by THOUSANDS of people for rabbit shooting, now CLUELESS POLITICIANS are going to legalise HANDGUNS that use the same deadly ammunition - believed to have been used to assassinate union boss Jimmy Hoffa. We asked a woman whose child was killed by a handgun what she thought of this plan, "It beggars belief that they'd legalise handguns like the ones that killed my wee Angus" she sobbed. "Any politician who votes for this will have blood on his hands." she added.'
 
#12
also one where the truth regarding Hamilton and Ryan was made public and the plod responsible for approving both their licenses lost their pensions!
Fat chance. That bastard Douglas McMurdo (Deputy Chief Constable of Central Scotland). Remember him, he's the plod who renewed Hamilton's FAC in spite of being told that he should not do so by one of his officers. Anyway that bastard waited until the day of publication of the Cullen report before he resigned - I guess on a full pension. I sincerely hope that he has never slept a full night since Dunblane.
 
#13
The inability of a few people to practice pistol shooting is, in my opinion, outweighed by the benefits of not having the things (even .22) in public ownership.
I think that you would be hard put to think of many benefits.

FAC holders didn't use them for crime and crims don't use them because they can get much more powerful pistols.
 
#14
Two thousand and odd in three months. Not very motivated are we shooters.
 

ugly

LE
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#15
Two thousand and odd in three months. Not very motivated are we shooters.
Already explained my motivation I'd sign any petition that supported that!


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#17
Finland isn't governed by United Kingdom firearms legislation.

I'll allow you to explain the .22 and .22LR point you raise as I am struggling to see what point you make.
 

ugly

LE
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#18
Pretty sure both of the recent school massacres in Finland were done with .22LR pistols. .22 isn't .22LR, as I'm sure you realise
Know of many .22 centre fire pistols banned under the 1997 act that weren't Savage's attempts to break the rules re section 5?
I certainly don't and the subject refers to rimfire despite the original sport being in .32 cf auto S&W Long!


Some mornings its hardly worth chewing through the straps! Sent from my Blackberry!
 
#19
I'd sign a petition going back to pre 1988 laws but also one where the truth regarding Hamilton and Ryan was made public and the plod responsible for approving both their licenses lost their pensions!
I hear he's living very well on his Police pension in Australia. Rather curious as they still allow the dreaded handguns he so drama queenly and publicly demanded be banned.
 
#20
Finland isn't governed by United Kingdom firearms legislation.

I'll allow you to explain the .22 and .22LR point you raise as I am struggling to see what point you make.
Raises his hands and tries to back out the room with quiet dignity...

Know of many .22 centre fire pistols banned under the 1997 act that weren't Savage's attempts to break the rules re section 5?
I certainly don't and the subject refers to rimfire despite the original sport being in .32 cf auto S&W Long!
I know not what I say and wont crayon over this thread anymore
 

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