22lr M4 copies

#1
Hi folks,

I've recently become a member of a rifle and pistol club (NI) , I'm considering what I might want to purchase once my year's probation is up.

Indoor 25m range most of the time with the odd weekend at Ballykinlar for full bore rifles.

The club has plenty of match 22lr rifles and a variety of 22/9mm/38 pistols.

I've been looking on suffolkrifles and ogling the m4 ops, I like the idea of something fun for plinking and general target use thats abit different from the ordinary club firearms (which include a 22 SMLE and 22 Martini Henry).

Any opinions of these mil spec replicas in 22?

von1papen
 
#2
They are very popular, read expensive. They only do the same job as a say Ruger 10/22 or a CZ512. They just looks more Gucci. They are not accurate, just plinkers with a mil-look.

End of the day. Whatever floats your boat.
 
#3
In had a shoot the other day with something got up to look like a HK416, and it was a piece of shit. Bendy stock, rattly mag housing, fit for digging the garden with at a pinch, perhaps.
 
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LE
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#7
Sig do the 522 which is interesting!
 
#8
had a play with a few different ones like the Carl Walther made Colt M4 ops and HK416, a CMMG and a Spikes Tactical,
but the one that floated my boat the most was the Smith + Wesson MP15-22,
it performed the best, had operation functions like a real M4 (bolt hold-open and release etc) and was the easiest to strip and clean.
when i get some spare cash my 10/22 is deffo getting traded in for one from Suffork Rifle Company.

Smith & Wesson | Suffolk Rifle Company

and then pimp it up with a chinky copy of a elcan, and some other pinkatinny bells and whistles and its minirifle a go-go :)

DR Specter 1&4X Mag. Illuminated Dot Rifle Scope, With Auto Red Dot on Top | eBay
 
#9
Mines a Bremmer, sold for a while after the semi auto ban, it's a Bushmaster fitted with a modified M-261 bolt and a proper .22 barrel. Good enough to win comps at county level.

I had one of those...not long after the handgun ban came in.

It would only work with CCI Stingers...but looked and felt great...certainly better than some of the new plastic offerings.

I always remember...the first round I ever fired in it...got a separation...spent the reast of the afternoon tring to get the thing back out.

It was nice seeing the look on the face of the firearms plod when it came out the cabinet at renewal time.
 
#10
Seen the S&W version, the Colt/walther made ones and the HK416.

Liked the Colt because of the 5.56 dust cover, I imagined it would be less likely to have extraction problems than the S&W with its 22 sized port.

At the end of the day I'm not looking for match accuracy, as stated I can use such rifles for free anyway for competetions and the like.

Only other question would be about moderators? I rather liked the idea of one, whats the legality of such things in the UK? One club member had one on his 22 match rifle so I imagine it isn't a problem.
 
#11
If I was having one I'd get the M4 yes, just because it looks pretty.

Moderators. If you have 'good reason' you can have a moderator on your ticket. Remember, a moderator only needs a ticket if it is fitted to a rifle. At least that is the situation on the mainland. I'd ask/read up very carefully on the situation in NI before getting any hardware. Seriously.
 
#12
I had one of those...not long after the handgun ban came in.

It would only work with CCI Stingers...but looked and felt great...certainly better than some of the new plastic offerings.

I always remember...the first round I ever fired in it...got a separation...spent the reast of the afternoon tring to get the thing back out.

It was nice seeing the look on the face of the firearms plod when it came out the cabinet at renewal time.


Yep, same here, nothing but a Minimag will shift the rather big bolt.

Same with my FEO, can I see your '.22 rifle' please?

Nearly shat himself - 'What are you doing with a machinegun!
 

ugly

LE
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#13
They used to cack themselves seeing tactical shotguns and 10-22s with folding stocks, hopefully those crusty ******* have all retired now!
 
#15
They used to cack themselves seeing tactical shotguns and 10-22s with folding stocks, hopefully those crusty ******* have all retired now!
He wasn't so crusty, but it is now done out as a CAR-15 and looks a bit sporty.
 
#16
had a play with a few different ones like the Carl Walther made Colt M4 ops and HK416, a CMMG and a Spikes Tactical,
but the one that floated my boat the most was the Smith + Wesson MP15-22,
it performed the best, had operation functions like a real M4 (bolt hold-open and release etc) and was the easiest to strip and clean.
when i get some spare cash my 10/22 is deffo getting traded in for one from Suffork Rifle Company.

Smith & Wesson | Suffolk Rifle Company

and then pimp it up with a chinky copy of a elcan, and some other pinkatinny bells and whistles and its minirifle a go-go :)

DR Specter 1&4X Mag. Illuminated Dot Rifle Scope, With Auto Red Dot on Top | eBay
But as all the emotional (and wholly uniformed) hype here is saying, those guns are inherently evil and should be banned from the face of the earth.
 
#17
I did a Club Instructor course at Bisley two weeks ago and there were a number of private and NRA-owned jobs around. Plus some knowledgeable owners. As noted you have to pay top money for something that works well, £1250 and thereabouts. I've owned a few Ruger 10/22s and found them OK, and you can now get an M-4 stock kit. Personally, my current Erma M-1 is more accurate than I am and gets me in the wine prizes at most club competitions...

Ugly, the Steyr looks good but the straight pull .223 is certainly known for an industrial trigger (and difficult cocking handle - not relevant here), I've never looked at the .22 but would be unsurprised if it wasn't very similar.
 

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LE
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#18
I havent sold one yet, usual good press reviews but they are paid to review them arent they!
If I get one or two in I'll do a review.
 
#19
I have an MP15/22 with the heavier fluted barrel and it is an exceptionally good bit of kit.

Its draw back though is that it doesn't cycle on the cheap nasty ammo that you'd like it to considering its a fun gun.

Look at spending £2.50 for 50 shots with CCI or remington gold but forget thunderbolt and the cheap stuff that some of the rugers cycle with.

With the MP15/22 you can easily put 50 shots through a 5p piece sized hole at 30m with zero stoppages and dramas, all the rails are picatinny so gizzits, blags and borrowed from Liz's armouries kit works perfectly.

I was considering a spikes tactical, but the North West cistom guns bloke is a penis, in the end I used Suffolk rifles.
 

ugly

LE
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#20
I have found over the years that CCI Green Tag is the best and most reliable clean firing rimfire ammo. Its a target round and in one year doubled in price (I think the importers cocked up) but it is a good steady round and I woiuld use it all day long if I didnt have to moderate!
 

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