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#23
Why not build an airport on an artificial island in the Thames Estuary? Has nobody thought of that?
 
#26
I think Gatwick is the wrong side of London in that most of the country still needs to go round the M25 to get to it. Stansted is better, but still awkward for people coming from West of London.
Check out Google Maps.

Heathrow and Gatwick actually aren't that far away from each other. I said recently in a thread about the third runway that a high speed railink, an electrified one to pacify the environmentalists, could be built between Heathrow and Gatwick. Some of it could be built underground where necessary to prevent destruction of homes and present infrastructure.

With the right scheme, you could travel from Heathrow to Gatwick virtually as fast as it currently takes you to get from terminal one to terminal five at Heathrow.

A third runway at Heathrow is a complete nonsense for every reason. Gatwick with the right transport infrastructure linking to Heathrow is an obvious choice except for the fact Heathrow wouldn't be able to enjoy the massive increase in profits that a third runway there would bring to them.

And that's what it's really about for Heathrow.
 
#28
I think Gatwick is the wrong side of London in that most of the country still needs to go round the M25 to get to it. Stansted is better, but still awkward for people coming from West of London.
We have Luton (M1/M25) to the north, Stansted (M11/M25) to the east, Gatwick (M23/M25) and Heathrow (M4/M25) to the west - not to mention London City in... the City. All have reasonable rail/tube/light railway links too.

An extra runway at Luton may be problematic but in reality, our capital city is ringed by runways. Adding a runway to any one of the existing airports makes life no easier for those arriving from or needing to get to any of the other three sides of London and beyond so your argument is flawed in suggesting that the convenience of travellers is the prime mover.

It is a vanity thing, nothing more, nothing less when what is really needed is better utilization of the London Airports...

Stansted is almost exclusively the home of low cost shorthaul, Gatwick & Luton... primarily holiday charters and Heathrow... scheduled long and shorthaul for national carriers - the 'prestige' traffic.

It needs mixing up a bit.
 
#31
Check out Google Maps.

Heathrow and Gatwick actually aren't that far away from each other. I said recently in a thread about the third runway that a high speed railink, an electrified one to pacify the environmentalists, could be built between Heathrow and Gatwick. Some of it could be built underground where necessary to prevent destruction of homes and present infrastructure.

With the right scheme, you could travel from Heathrow to Gatwick virtually as fast as it currently takes you to get from terminal one to terminal five at Heathrow.

A third runway at Heathrow is a complete nonsense for every reason. Gatwick with the right transport infrastructure linking to Heathrow is an obvious choice except for the fact Heathrow wouldn't be able to enjoy the massive increase in profits that a third runway there would bring to them.

And that's what it's really about for Heathrow.
Is there an example of any other airport in the world that is split between two campuses 25 miles apart? A passenger changing flights between Heathrow and Gatwick would have to claim their luggage at the arrival airport and be rescreened at the departure airport making a mockery of your claimed connection times.

It would require:
Waiting time for luggage
Transfer time from arrival terminal to railway station
Transfer time by train on the new railway line
Reprocessing time at departure airport

and all this you claim to be comparable with transferring between T1 to T5?
 
#32
Thankfully the Greenham Common airstrip, with it's 'longest runway in England' tag, was dug up and used as hard-core for the Newbury bypass yonks ago so no real prospect of planes returning....

....or is there....

The space is still there and hasn't been built over as it was returned to common land so is just used by dog walkers and doggers. There have however been suggestions locally of it being developed as Heathrow (West).

It's 45 miles from Heathrow though. Is that a problem? RyanAir market the old Laarbruch airport (Weeze) as being 'Dusseldorf' airport and leave passengers 50 miles from where they were hoping to go so it's not beyond the realms of fantasy.

Newbury has the mainline link to London Paddington which has just now completed the electrification phase and also it's just off the M4 which is now being converted to a 'Smart Motorway'.
 
#33
Thankfully the Greenham Common airstrip, with it's 'longest runway in England' tag, was dug up and used as hard-core for the Newbury bypass yonks ago so no real prospect of planes returning....

....or is there....

The space is still there and hasn't been built over as it was returned to common land so is just used by dog walkers and doggers. There have however been suggestions locally of it being developed as Heathrow (West).

It's 45 miles from Heathrow though. Is that a problem? RyanAir market the old Laarbruch airport (Weeze) as being 'Dusseldorf' airport and leave passengers 50 miles from where they were hoping to go so it's not beyond the realms of fantasy.

Newbury has the mainline link to London Paddington which has just now completed the electrification phase and also it's just off the M4 which is now being converted to a 'Smart Motorway'.
I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility, but it still wouldn't address the problems that a third runway at Heathrow is intended to address.
 
#34
We have Luton (M1/M25) to the north, Stansted (M11/M25) to the east, Gatwick (M23/M25) and Heathrow (M4/M25) to the west - not to mention London City in... the City. All have reasonable rail/tube/light railway links too.

An extra runway at Luton may be problematic but in reality, our capital city is ringed by runways. Adding a runway to any one of the existing airports makes life no easier for those arriving from or needing to get to any of the other three sides of London and beyond so your argument is flawed in suggesting that the convenience of travellers is the prime mover.

It is a vanity thing, nothing more, nothing less when what is really needed is better utilization of the London Airports...

Stansted is almost exclusively the home of low cost shorthaul, Gatwick & Luton... primarily holiday charters and Heathrow... scheduled long and shorthaul for national carriers - the 'prestige' traffic.

It needs mixing up a bit.
I'm not suggesting that Heathrow is being expanded because of passenger convenience. I think it is being expanded for the convenience of the owners of Heathrow Airport. What I am suggesting is that the airport that should be getting developed/built from scratch instead should be to the north-west of London, for the convenience of users who don't live in London, Essex or Kent.
 
#35
We have Luton (M1/M25) to the north, Stansted (M11/M25) to the east, Gatwick (M23/M25) and Heathrow (M4/M25) to the west - not to mention London City in... the City. All have reasonable rail/tube/light railway links too.

An extra runway at Luton may be problematic but in reality, our capital city is ringed by runways. Adding a runway to any one of the existing airports makes life no easier for those arriving from or needing to get to any of the other three sides of London and beyond so your argument is flawed in suggesting that the convenience of travellers is the prime mover.

It is a vanity thing, nothing more, nothing less when what is really needed is better utilization of the London Airports...

Stansted is almost exclusively the home of low cost shorthaul, Gatwick & Luton... primarily holiday charters and Heathrow... scheduled long and shorthaul for national carriers - the 'prestige' traffic.

It needs mixing up a bit.
But mixing it up is not going to work. Scheduled long and shorthaul for national carriers only works on a hub basis, and for a hub to work, they all have to go in and out of the same place. All these other airports are only ever going to be the domain of budget airlines and holiday charters because they fly point-point.
 
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#36
You have to admire Theresa May for her survival skills, all around her is chaos, but she looks serene in her ivory tower.
 

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#37
Dunno what you're all clanging on about?

The experts on here tell me that UK Airspace is being shut down. EndEx.
 
#39
Or they could give Stansted and/or Gatwick a second runway... As with HSE2 one suspects that the 'my airport is bigger than yours' Heathrow develpment is little more than a government vanity project.
What is HSE2

The Health and Safety Executive have been reformed?
 

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