20Bde Dep Comd Suspended.

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All because a bunch of women can't take a bollocking, anyway the scum would have to get a dig in about the "Iraqi beatings".
 

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Colonel suspended from duty for 'SHOUTING' at people :!: :!: :!:

FFS that means there will no longer be any RSMs or CSMs.

There are times when I am glad I am no longer in.
 
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8O 8O Are the forces getting a tad too politically correct? Where is the discipline that when someone.....normally the 'badge' gave you a still bollocking you did not err again?
Maybe I'm missing the point here, someone has made the decision to suspend a senior officer and put his future career in doubt. Next we will be having sprogs complaining to the CO that the SSM shouted at them and violated their human rights :x
Where is the forces going? I for one am glad I left before the rot set in.
Bliar....get a grip of the situation :twisted: :twisted:
 
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It's a good job Sir Peter Inge is no longer serving then. I remember him as Corps Commander, he makes Alan Sugar look like a lightweight. Fantastic to work for, and loved to praise professionalism, but he could not stand incompetants though and you could hear him say so from a distance.
 
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Bullying hides incompetence, behaviour like this is indicative of a personality disorder not strong leadership (If true) Does anyone here wish to be commanded by someone with an psycopathic personality disorder? The fact there has been a string of complaints indicates that there is some truth in the story.
 
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It may be well to remember that ARRSE policy is that we do not normally discuss the detail of cases whilst investigations and/or proceedings are ongoing.
 
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No disrespect to the officer concerned, but according to The Sun he is a "high-flier."

I'm sure hitting full colonel by 48 is perfectly respectable and all that, but high-flying?
 

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Warrior_Poet said:
Bullying hides incompetence, behaviour like this is indicative of a personality disorder not strong leadership (If true) Does anyone here wish to be commanded by someone with an psycopathic personality disorder? The fact there has been a string of complaints indicates that there is some truth in the story.
... or it could simply mean that the complainants were lilly-livered, and would cry at the slightest thing. We don't know the details, and so we shouldn't be so quick to judge. Shouting doesn't hurt (apart from a ringing in the ears maybe!). If there is more to this then I will be interested to hear the repercussions for the field army.
 
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"High-flier Colonel Chris Owen, 48". Would you class that as flying high? A Colonel at 48 - Not really soaring like an eagle.
 
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Legs I agree there should be a proper investigation, it always strikes me as strange though that those suffering under a bully are labelled as weak, when it is the bully, hiding behind his rank and the system who is usually the weak one. Strong leaders manage, bad leaders shout and bully usually in an attempt to hide their own failings.

A very interesting site on the psychology of bullies is found on this link:

http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm

Makes interesting reading.
 
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Sorry, but being a bit in the rag its in I'm inclined to leave it. Thye have to get their weekly dig at the army in and he's connected to the 'beatings scandle' its a nice link to keep that story afloat at the same time.

On a more personal level, so feckkin what? So he made some folk upset with his robust leadership style, Last time I looked I was in the ARMY, we have guns and stuff one of our aims in life is to close with and kill the enemy, sorry but due to the nature of the job and the ppl therein, some of 'em are inclined to shout a bit.................... Big deal, leave the guy alone and I hope it all prooves to be a load of mis-directed overly PC rubbish that results in someone being told to grow up.
 
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Oh dear what a pity...
Someone shouted at someone.....someone took offence....lets get a big white fluffy glove to comfort everyone and have a group hug.

Why dont we just get on with our job?
 
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There is a difference between bullying and shouting. It may be worth remembering that the army is currently at a higher operational state than for most of WW2, and commanders (from LCPL upwards) often become less tolerant of muppets as they know the effect such people have in an operational environment: the Army has changed from the 'soft' days of the late 80's and early 90's when only a few units and few commanders had experience of high intensity conflict.

If someone cannot cope with someone being nasty they should leave the army and join a civilian company. How would these people cope if the enemy is nasty to them?

There will be a hearing of sorts, and maybe even a Court Martial. Despite some of the rantings on this site about such events (some of which are mine), the results from previous Court Martials on Iraq related incidents have shown admirable resistance to any influence from the gutter press (though I believe the Scum now resides in its own septic tank below the sewers).

Truth will out eventually.
 
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I remember the fellow as a good sort - rare, admittedly, given his cap badge.
 
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OK lets change tack slightly, you have a "Superior" who is a complete liability and a fecking incompetent but knows how to play the system. The individual concerned makes the lives of good soldiers, whose boots he is unfit to polish and absolute misery. One day his lies catch up with him and one of your soldiers indicates he is going to submit a formal complaint.
said "Superior" gets you in his office and asks you to lie on his behalf to show "Loyalty" to him, what do you do?
 

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Vegetius said:
No disrespect to the officer concerned, but according to The Sun he is a "high-flier."

I'm sure hitting full colonel by 48 is perfectly respectable and all that, but high-flying?
Hmmm....Enoch Powell was a brigadier at 26.......'Panzer' Meyer was a Major General at 38.....but those were desperate times...not Operation Iraqi Liberation.....
 
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