2021 - What now for illegals?

[cowgoesmoo]

In terms of Covid 19 testing, irregular migrants are regarded as a 'hard to reach' group, along with the homeless, sex workers, former criminals*, non-English-speaking monolingual groups, etc. They do not willingly come forward to be registered or tested; many work in the black economy so cannot afford not to work. Added to the probably adverse living conditions they experience, levels of infection are likely to be very high.

* the rumour is that Covid 19 PCR testing is collecting DNA samples, hence the low public uptake in Liverpool during the mass testing in Liverpool in November.

Ah ok, so they could reach herd immunity before the rest of the population does

 

[medwaymud]

because they aren't obliged to do so

Eh ?

 

[deanol]

No it shows that someone who meets the criteria to remain will be granted asylum.

And what happens to those refused asylum?

 

[Filthy_contract]

Ah ok, so they could reach herd immunity before the rest of the population does

No, because there is very little evidence to support this concept with a rapidly mutating virus.

 

[Bus Pass 01]

In terms of Covid 19 testing, irregular migrants are regarded as a 'hard to reach' group, along with the homeless, sex workers, former criminals*, non-English-speaking monolingual groups, etc. They do not willingly come forward to be registered or tested; many work in the black economy so cannot afford not to work. Added to the probably adverse living conditions they experience, levels of infection are likely to be very high.

* the rumour is that Covid 19 PCR testing is collecting DNA samples, hence the low public uptake in Liverpool during the mass testing in Liverpool in November.

It was mentioned in March that at the first lockdown those in the cash in hand, underground economy would be hard hit as they do not exist and can not claim any benefits. Hence, the need for free school meals at all times and the large increase in food bank use?

 

[Filthy_contract]

It was mentioned in March that at the first lockdown those in the cash in hand, underground economy would be hard hit as they do not exist and can not claim any benefits. Hence, the need for free school meals at all times and the large increase in food bank use?

More likely those on zero hours contracts, such as care home carers who cannot afford not to work...and, incidentally, the ones spreading the virus. It's certainly not the house-bound coffin-dodgers

 

[endure]

And what happens to those refused asylum?

They're either deported or they become illegal immigrants.

 

[DemsMaShoes]

I have a great solution for this. If they can't or won't produce documentation then they will automatically be assumed to be Somalian. We pay the Somalia government 20k for everyone of their 'own' citizens they accept back once they issued them a Somali passport. Daily flights back to Somalia, landing and parachutes optional.

Or, establish a residential holding centre in Somalia (other countries are available).
Then all illegal entrants could be moved there until their cases are decided.
No particular urgency attached.

 

[Tomasz Krachanaker]

They're either deported or they remain illegal immigrants.

Fixed.

 

[endure]

Fixed.

One more time. If they're granted asylum they are not illegal immigrants. That's the law no matter how much it upsets you.

 

[Tomasz Krachanaker]

One more time. If they're granted asylum they are not illegal immigrants. That's the law no matter how much it upsets you.

Which I neither stated nor implied.

The overwhelming majority entered the country illegally and as far as I am concerned remain illegal until granted asylum.

 

[gorilla]

Actually the 1951 Refugee Convention states that those wishing to claim asylum should do so in the fisrt safe country, if they travel further, ie to another safe country, that country then does not have an obligation to accept those applicants, even more so if they have already claimed asylum elsewhere.

 

[gorilla]

Illegal entry into the UK is no longer a "criminal" offence, it is now an administrative offence.

 

[lokiuk]

Actually the 1951 Refugee Convention states that those wishing to claim asylum should do so in the fisrt safe country, if they travel further, ie to another safe country, that country then does not have an obligation to accept those applicants, even more so if they have already claimed asylum elsewhere.

Is Britain a safe country anyway, we're always being told we're a nation full of racists, surely it's the duty of the government not to allow asylum seekers to risk their life being in imminent peril living in a hotel in England

 

[Andy71]

Actually the 1951 Refugee Convention states that those wishing to claim asylum should do so in the fisrt safe country, if they travel further, ie to another safe country, that country then does not have an obligation to accept those applicants, even more so if they have already claimed asylum elsewhere.

Do you have an article reference for that?

 

[UncivilServant]

Is ever Marcon not a right Cnut?.

Non.

 

[Bus Pass 01]

More likely those on zero hours contracts, such as care home carers who cannot afford not to work...and, incidentally, the ones spreading the virus. It's certainly not the house-bound coffin-dodgers

Talking about those working outside the system who have their cash in hand cut off and no other income.

 

[Listy]

Or, establish a residential holding centre in Somalia (other countries are available).
Then all illegal entrants could be moved there until their cases are decided.
No particular urgency attached.

There's a patch of desert to the south of Egypt that no one wants and is unclaimed territory.

In terms of Covid 19 testing, irregular migrants are regarded as a 'hard to reach' group, along with the homeless, sex workers, former criminals*, non-English-speaking monolingual groups, etc. They do not willingly come forward to be registered or tested; many work in the black economy so cannot afford not to work. Added to the probably adverse living conditions they experience, levels of infection are likely to be very high.

* the rumour is that Covid 19 PCR testing is collecting DNA samples, hence the low public uptake in Liverpool during the mass testing in Liverpool in November.

Weirdly the Fear (note this bit) of CV19 has provided us with a cracking result in sorting out our cities homeless population. We stuck them all up in hotels paid for by central government during the lockdowns. This gave a lot of the entrenched types a home for the first time in many years, and the found they quite liked it. Around 2/3rds are now in full time accommodation.
The fear has gotten people in, who previously were offered accommodation but were reluctant to take it up first. So it's had some good effects in society. That linked to a new initiative from the NPT is really tackling the problems. Trouble is we've still got he hardcore ones. They've got accommodation, but they're refusing to take the steps to move on, and will likely revert to their old ways. I suppose its the old problem of diminishing returns.

 

[lacrabat]

Which I neither stated nor implied.

The overwhelming majority entered the country illegally and as far as I am concerned remain illegal until granted asylum.

I thought the way it worked was they are illegal immigrants until they claim asylum, then they become asylum seekers, if their claim is successful they then become refugees. If their claim isn't successful then they are failed asylum seekers whom we then fail to deport.
Ultimately though, they all start off as illegal immigrant because they entered the country illegally.......

 

[deanol]

The first question they should be asked is "Where did you get in the dinghy"?

The second question should be "How did you get from there to the UK's water's"?

If the second question does not support the first, then bye-bye back to France.

@endure I am sure you do your job well, and to the very best of your abilities, but your responses seem to come across as passive-aggressive, and defensive. Surely you cannot believe you can defend the Status Quo on here?