2 x OIF Servicemen Issue Legal Challenge To Obama

Str8Bloke

War Hero
I just saw, in the Drudge Report of 25/02/2009, that two serving US soldiers on OIF have started legal challenges to their Commander in Chief. They have instructed counsel and alledge that Obama is ineligible to be their CiC as he was not "a natural citizen" of the US as laid down in the Constitution.

My Questions;
1 How popular(or not) is Obama in the US armed forces? Especially OIF/OEF
2 Will these two soldiers get gang raped by their chains of command?

I don't remember anyone mentioning Obama's citizenship during the election. But I was a bit busy at the time...
 
Obama's citizenship was examined in minute detail by the media and found to be acceptable (otherwise the Republicans would have kicked off and he wouldn't have been allowed to be president). I think this one might be going nowhere.
 
Allegedly, this has all been looked at behind the scenes. I also find it unlikely that with everyone powerful who wanted to stop him, no one caught him out if he wasnt born there. It smacks of a last ditch attempt at hindering him.

I imagine this will end up with a charge of bringing the US armed forces into disrepute.



Interesting: http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
 
At what point in the Constitution does it say that the 'Commander in Chief' has to be "a natural citizen"?

The President is the Commander in Chief. If he wasn't a valid candidate for that post, it should have been pointed out a little bit earlier, and as he has been sworn in, could be a little late now.

Probably a couple of rednecks who have taken this long to figure out 'half' a plan.
 

Str8Bloke

War Hero
Is that "minute detail" as they couldn't be ARRsed to go look at the official document which Obama seems to be hiding away somewhere?
I think the silly fellow is trying to hide something, and The People have smelled a rat.
 

Gheluvelt

Old-Salt
Plant-Pilot said:
At what point in the Constitution does it say that the 'Commander in Chief' has to be "a natural citizen"?
Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution states this:

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A2Sec1

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Having said that, Pres. Obama clearly is a "natural born Citizen" and so this lawsuit is utter bollocks.
 
I still don't understand why, if there is nothing to hide, he doesn't release a copy of the birth certificate.

He has spent tens of thousands of dollars fighting demands to release it and not releasing it is just increasing speculation that there is some truth in the rumours.
 

ThomasFowler

Old-Salt
LEGZ30 said:
I still don't understand why, if there is nothing to hide, he doesn't release a copy of the birth certificate.

He has spent tens of thousands of dollars fighting demands to release it and not releasing it is just increasing speculation that there is some truth in the rumours.
See detonator's post above. More to the point, why did you believe he was trying to hide it?
 
ThomasFowler said:
LEGZ30 said:
I still don't understand why, if there is nothing to hide, he doesn't release a copy of the birth certificate.

He has spent tens of thousands of dollars fighting demands to release it and not releasing it is just increasing speculation that there is some truth in the rumours.
See detonator's post above. More to the point, why did you believe he was trying to hide it?
The scan he has posted above appeared on a website which the Obama campaign was not even directly linked to. He has spent a great deal of money fighting requests to show it in court when for $12 he could have got a copy and had his lawyers show it in court and killed the whole story stone dead.

I have no idea why he is doing it this way, which is why my original post says "I still don't understand".

Maybe the original describes him as white :D
 
LEGZ30 said:
The scan he has posted above appeared on a website which the Obama campaign was not even directly linked to.
The one I linked too, paid for by Obama for America - The presidential campaign org?
 

Legs

ADC
Book Reviewer
LEGZ30 said:
I still don't understand why, if there is nothing to hide, he doesn't release a copy of the birth certificate.

He has spent tens of thousands of dollars fighting demands to release it and not releasing it is just increasing speculation that there is some truth in the rumours.
Why the hell should he prove it? If the electoral commission are content that he is legally entitled to be President, who else does he have to prove it to? Maybe he's spent his tens of thousands of dollars on a point of principle. Did the world ask to see Clinton's Birth Certificate? Bush Snr's?

No? why not? Is it 'cos he is black?
 
Str8Bloke said:
I just saw, in the Drudge Report of 25/02/2009, that two serving US soldiers on OIF have started legal challenges to their Commander in Chief. They have instructed counsel and alledge that Obama is ineligible to be their CiC as he was not "a natural citizen" of the US as laid down in the Constitution.

My Questions;
1 How popular(or not) is Obama in the US armed forces? Especially OIF/OEF
2 Will these two soldiers get gang raped by their chains of command?

I don't remember anyone mentioning Obama's citizenship during the election. But I was a bit busy at the time...
1. Not very in among the units I am training with. but then he doesnt have to be. CiC isnt a popularity contest, Carter was Loathed like a Fart in the back of a APC, Clinton was'nt much better.

2. Very Likely- If they're Commissioned Officers, they're done. If Snuffy's the Hammer will fall through other channels

On a Personal note, I think he's a Schmuck, a Socialist, and a Weasel. But he is a Citizen, so the lawsuit is without merit.
 
Legs said:
Why the hell should he prove it? If the electoral commission are content that he is legally entitled to be President, who else does he have to prove it to?
The citizens that he represents maybe, some of who clearly have doubts.

Legs said:
Maybe he's spent his tens of thousands of dollars on a point of principle. Did the world ask to see Clinton's Birth Certificate? Bush Snr's?

No? why not? Is it 'cos he is black?
I don't remember there being any controversy over their place of birth. There are rumours about Obamas. His skin colour is not relevant to the issue.
 
Detonator said:
LEGZ30 said:
The scan he has posted above appeared on a website which the Obama campaign was not even directly linked to.
The one I linked too, paid for by Obama for America - The presidential campaign org?
My mistake. I didn't see that at the bottom.
 
To put this silliness to rest:

"The Fourteenth Amendment states that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." Since Hawaii is part of the United States, even if Barack Obama's parents were both non-U.S. citizens who hadn't even set foot in the country until just before he was born, he'd still qualify as a natural-born citizen.

Some have claimed that Barack Obama's Hawaiian birthplace doesn't qualify him as a natural-born citizen because Hawaii was not yet a state when he was born. This claim is wrong: Hawaii was admitted as the 50th state almost two years before Barack Obama's birth there 21 August 1959 for statehood vs 4 August 1961 for Obama's birthdate).

Some outdated versions of this item conclude by stating that "It should be demanded that Obama produce his 1961 Hawaiian birth certificate," but in fact his campaign made an image of that available on the Internet back in mid-2008."



http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
 

gator

Old-Salt
Str8Bloke said:
My Questions;
1 How popular(or not) is Obama in the US armed forces? Especially OIF/OEF
There was a poll before the election that showed about 70% of the military did not support Obama.

Generally the military is conservative and votes Republican. The military hated Clinton and Carter and will hate Obama.

My son is in a Cav regiment and he reports to me that several of the career NCOs and Officers in his Squadron have stated they don't want to serve under Obama. I know that is antidotal.

2 Will these two soldiers get gang raped by their chains of command?
The military will not allow any public criticism of the Commander in Chief and rightfully so. The military is subservient to the civilian elected government and there can be no public opposition even if the Commander in Chief is a ******** like Obama.
 
gator said:
Str8Bloke said:
My Questions;
1 How popular(or not) is Obama in the US armed forces? Especially OIF/OEF
There was a poll before the election that showed about 70% of the military did not support Obama.

Generally the military is conservative and votes Republican. The military hated Clinton and Carter and will hate Obama.

My son is a Cav regiment and he reports to me that several of the career NCOs and Officers in his Squadron have stated they don't want to serve under Obama. I know that is antidotal.

2 Will these two soldiers get gang raped by their chains of command?
The military will not allow any public criticism of the Commander in Chief and rightfully so. The military is subservient to the civilian elected government and there can be no public opposition even if the Commander in Chief is a ******** like Obama.
* anectdotal*... that one's free, just cause I like you.;)

That aside, this is the most reasonable post I've seen you post yet, Hater. Sure you don't want to edit it to include AnnCoulter-esque McCarthyist "leftist" "pinko", "traitor" invective?
 

gator

Old-Salt
Flagrantviolator said:
* anectdotal*... that one's free, just cause I like you.;)
Hey, nobody is perfect.



That aside, this is the most reasonable post I've seen you post yet, Hater. Sure you don't want to edit it to include AnnCoulter-esque McCarthyist "leftist" "pinko", "traitor" invective?
I called Obama a ********, doesn't that count?
 
Actually, this sort of issue has come up before with other candidates at least three other times in my lifetime as the term "natural born citizen" is not further defined in the constitution.

McCain - Some tried to claim he was not eligible as he was born in Panama. He was born in a Naval hospital on a US base in Panama. The protests went nowhere.

George Romney - (father of Mitt Romney, former Governor of Michigan) When he ran in 1968 there were challenges as he had been born in Chihuahua, Mexico as his family were fugitives from Utah as polygamous Mormans. The protests went nowhere.

Barry Goldwater (Senator, retired Major General USAFR) - there were challenges to his right to be president as he was born in the Arizona Territory before Arizona was a state. The protests went nowhere.

Individuals do not have legal standing to challenge the citizenship of a presidential candidate. c.f. Robinson v. Bowen, 567 F. Supp. 2d 1144 (N.D. Cal. 2008); Hollander v. McCain, 2008-WL-2853250 (D.N.H. 2008); Berg v. Obama, 08-04083 (E.D. Pa. 2008)

I put in the references for the benefit of other lawyers who might read this.

Please don't tell my friends and neighbors I am a lawyer. I tell them I am the janitor in a bordello. If they knew what I really do they would lose all respect for me.

Edited to add: And this one is befor my lifetime, I'm not that old!

President Chester Arthur - He was VP and became President when Garfield was assassinated. His father was a Protestant minister born in Ireland who emigrated from Ireland to Canada and from there to the US. Arthur was allegedly born in Vermont close to the Canadian border and his father owned land on both sides of the border. Opponents made allegastions about his citizenship but the protests went nowhere. (perhaps interesting to Arrser's, when in college in the late 1840's he was a supporter of the Fenian Brotherhood. He served in the Union Army reaching the rank of Brigadier General)
 

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