2 Iraqi men acquitted of RMP 6 Murders in MAK 2003.

#1
That's the latest headline on breaking news. More details to follow.

BBC now state that Hamza Hateer and Mussa Ismael al Fartusi were acquitted at Baghdad's central criminal court.

It is understood one Iraqi is to be detained for further investigation over suspicions he used a soldier's gun. The other has been released.
 
#2
This can't rate as a big surprise, following the way in which the Iraqi Authorities have conducted themselves.

It will be interesting to hear what (if any) involvement British representatives had in witnessing proceedings, following the refusal to allow family members to be in court.

Incidentally howayman, 24 June 2003, not May.
 

jim24

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#3
My Cardiff/Iraqi taxi driver last night, told me that they are considered as freedom fighters now the British have pulled out, and there was no way they would be found guilty
 
#4
It's a bloody good thing we've got these taxi drivers to give us their expert opinions on the interworkings of the Iraqi state, don't know what we'd do without them.
 

jim24

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#5
It's a bloody good thing we've got these taxi drivers to give us their expert opinions on the interworkings of the Iraqi state, don't know what we'd do without them.
Well I don't read Arabic, but my Taxi driver does,and you can get Iraqi newspapers on the internet now,I always like to see both sides of the story,not just the made up one in the Sun
 
#7
Sounds a bit like allowing the Germans to conduct the Nuremburg war crimes trial.
 

jim24

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#8
Nothing new, the Indian troops that fought for the Crown were treated as second class citizens after Indian independence but the ones who fought with the Japanese against the Crown were given better pensions
 

chimera

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#9
I was wondering if Mr Shiner was defending these two. It seems that he wasn't - he is just acting for those accused of killing SSgt Cullingworth and Spr Allsopp in Az Zubayr in 2003 and the "victims" in the Danny boy battle in 2004. I wonder how he sleeps at night..??
 
#10
It's a bloody good thing we've got these taxi drivers to give us their expert opinions on the interworkings of the Iraqi state, don't know what we'd do without them.

No Sven you wouldn't.
 
#11
Did anyone actually really expect justice in this case? What a shame our so called government hadn't insisted on the same level of zeal in bringing these murdering Iraqi scum to justice that they applied when hounding usually innocent British soldiers, often on the flimsiest of "Evidence".

The only way we will see any justice against these b*stards is if our glorious leaders had the balls to pass sentence by Drone... but as our political classes are bereft of any morals whatsoever, then we just have to accept that the redcaps and the rest of our fallen in Iraq died for nothing more than Blairs personal vanity and Browns incompetence.
 
#12
Did anyone actually really expect justice in this case? What a shame our so called government hadn't insisted on the same level of zeal in bringing these murdering Iraqi scum to justice that they applied when hounding usually innocent British soldiers, often on the flimsiest of "Evidence".

The only way we will see any justice against these b*stards is if our glorious leaders had the balls to pass sentence by Drone... but as our political classes are bereft of any morals whatsoever, then we just have to accept that the redcaps and the rest of our fallen in Iraq died for nothing more than Blairs personal vanity and Browns incompetence.
Both their incompetence.

Blair got wood in 2000 in Sierra Leone, a relatively simple military problem, gobbed off at by Africans who were too stupid to realise that taking on a professional army was endex. Bouyed by that he thought military solutions were the bees knees, idiot.

What followed in Iraq and Afghanistan was fuelled by his lack of intelligence and commanders lack of courage to tell the truth that the military was not a simple solution.
 
#14
All I have to say is that this disgraceful, horrible verdict does not shock me. Hell, in a few years time, all the sons of bitches responsible for the deaths of the Red Caps will get "Hero of the Glorious Resistance Medal" or some such shit like that. I await the complete breakdown of Iraqi so-called civil society once the last Western troops leave that shit-hole with interest. Should be entertaining and worthy of a few beers and bags of popcorn to enjoy while watching the scum rip each other apart.

Tam
 
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Mr_Tigger

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#15
It's a bloody good thing we've got these taxi drivers to give us their expert opinions on the interworkings of the Iraqi state, don't know what we'd do without them.
IIRC Valerie Plame Wilson claimed after leaving the CIA that an Iraqi taxi driver WAS their top HUMINT source. It’s just a shame he was a drunken liar. A real ‘Taylor of Panama’ cluster****. So if they are good enough for the CIA they must be good enough for ARRSE!
 
#16
All I have to say is that this disgraceful, horrible verdict does not shock me. Hell, in a few years time, all the sons of bitches responsible for the deaths of the Red Caps will get "Hero of the Glorious Resistance Medal" or some such shit like that. I await the complete breakdown of Iraqi so-called civil society once the last Western troops leave that shit-hole with interest. Should be entertaining and worthy of a few beers and bags of popcorn to enjoy while watching the scum rip each other apart. Tam
They have had an opportunity to rip each other apart already. The only other interesting outcome would have been if that ignorant bint maj nadine whatever the name was had been there as well. She would have been gang raped and we would have had forensic, inside semen, bucketloads of it.

They have had an opportunity to rip each other apart already. The only other interesting outcome would have been if that ignorant bint maj nadine whatever the name was had been there as well. She would have been gang raped and we would have had forensic, inside semen, bucketloads of it.
 
#18
Trying to be constructive, cannot see that there would be much difference had they come before one of our courts. One does not have to be Ironside to say "There were 400 there. Why me?' Anyone local who gave evidence against them would have had a short life. Iraqi version of the Mousa court martial really.
 
#19
Iraqi court frees accused over Red Cap killings - Yahoo! News

'In the courtroom, however, Iraqis attending the hearing broke out into smiles after the judge announced the charges were being dropped.

"It is not logical to accuse Iraqis of killing soldiers occupying our country," said a court employee who did not want to give his name.'

Welcome to Iraqi justice. Where foreigners are concerned it's a closed shop. Courts will ALWAYS vote in favour of LN's if foreigners are involved (even if the locals are blatantly guilty)-heard that from an Iraqi lawyer some months ago.
Forget 'justice' in any traditional form. This is Arab 'democracy'.......ie hypocrisy, corruption etc etc etc.
 
#20
Blair got wood in 2000 in Sierra Leone, a relatively simple military problem, gobbed off at by Africans who were too stupid to realise that taking on a professional army was endex. Bouyed by that he thought military solutions were the bees knees, idiot.
I remember the attitude at that time, that the British Army could do anything with nothing. It was widely accepted that our kit was shit, but that we were far and away the best Army in the world and that made up for it.
 

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