1st Queens Dragoon Guards

#1
Hi Guys,

I know you all hate the bullsiht questions and lads coming on here asking random recruiting questions but I'm in really need of your help. I passed ASDC yesterday and whilst there asked the infantry corporal if the QDG did all the infantry field work and craft which I had been told be my recruiter (welsh guard). This took the siht out my arrse as this was the reason I changed my first job choose to QDG as I wanted both a amoured and infantry based role. So the question I'm asking is, do the QDG do infantry activities as well as armoured so I'd get the best of both worlds or was my recruiter talking wind?

If not which you would you recommend QDG or Welsh Guards? Does FR even have a future?!

Again sorry for the bullsiht
James
 
#2
QDG, FR will have a role - Look up Army 2020, it will show you how the army will transition to
 
#3
Hi Guys,

I know you all hate the bullsiht questions and lads coming on here asking random recruiting questions but I'm in really need of your help. I passed ASDC yesterday and whilst there asked the infantry corporal if the QDG did all the infantry field work and craft which I had been told be my recruiter (welsh guard). This took the siht out my arrse as this was the reason I changed my first job choose to QDG as I wanted both a amoured and infantry based role. So the question I'm asking is, do the QDG do infantry activities as well as armoured so I'd get the best of both worlds or was my recruiter talking wind?

If not which you would you recommend QDG or Welsh Guards? Does FR even have a future?!

Again sorry for the bullsiht
James
Firstly, yes FR very much has a role which is not going away.

Yes, FR soldiers conduct a mixture of mounted (on vehicles) and dismounted (on their feet) activity, about 50% of each in fact.

As an FR soldier you will find yourself up at the 'front', often in front of the infantry. Your role will normally be to gather information on the enemy, but as a secondary role you may also be tasked to fight the enemy, either mounted or dismounted. FR regiments (now re-titled Brigade Reconnaissance Regiments or BRRs) include squadrons who are equipped with the CVR(T) tracked recce vehicle (to be replaced by FRES SV) and others which are equipped with armed wheeled vehicles such as JACKAL (these squadrons are also known as the BRFs). Both squadrons will conduct mounted and dismounted activity as part of their normal business in the field, the BRFs do more dismounted activity and are (or at least were) trained up to the same dismounted standards as light role infantry companies during their collective training.

If you want to be at the sharp end of the army and want a good mixture of mounted and dismounted, then FR is probably a very good choice. While FR is first and foremost for watching the enemy rather than directly attacking it, the opportunities are certainly there.

The Welsh Guards is a light role infantry battalion, which also conducts ceremonial duties. Therefore, in theory, they only really move about by foot (in reality everybody gets vehicles of one sort or another). You certainly would not get "the armoured experience" by joining a light role infantry regiment/battalion. But if you just want to do "pure light role infantry" (i.e. attacking things on foot) and fancy the ceremonial duties, then one of the foot guards regiments (such as the Welsh Guards) would suite you fine. By and large the QDG do not do very much by way of ceremonial duty.

Good luck.
 
#4
Thanks lads, QDG look like the obvious choice and my recruiter said I could stay on scimitar or the new upgrade of I wanted to stay on the armoured side of things.

However, I was then told by another sgt in the officer to go MBT as they also have FR sqd but was then told they don't have a future and after 2020 will most likly be scrapped and their FR don't do the same job as BRFs. Whats your views? Will they survive last 2020 and do their FRs do the same dismounted roles as QDG. I want to make the right desicion and my recruiter doesn't seem to have the answers.
 

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#5
Thanks lads, QDG look like the obvious choice and my recruiter said I could stay on scimitar or the new upgrade of I wanted to stay on the armoured side of things.

However, I was then told by another sgt in the officer to go MBT as they also have FR sqd but was then told they don't have a future and after 2020 will most likly be scrapped and their FR don't do the same job as BRFs. Whats your views? Will they survive last 2020 and do their FRs do the same dismounted roles as QDG. I want to make the right desicion and my recruiter doesn't seem to have the answers.
To deal with your questions separately:

1. MBT will survive past 2020. Post-afghanistan, the British Army is looking to regain the skills that we have lost in combined arms manoeuvre warfare. This means that we will train with heavy armour as our primary asset, with FR (now renamed to Brigade Reconnaisance, by the way) suporting that closely.

2. MBT FR squadrons don't do the same things as FR regiments. Strictly, MBT regiments have a 'close recce' troop, not an FR troop. They do slightly different things when operating in Scimitar, but the key point for you is that an MBT recce troop will not operate dismounted nearly as much as an FR troop.


As a further point, the QDG may be getting Jackal as a replacement for Scimitar in the near future if they become one of the new 'Light Cavalry' Regiments. This may suit you as it will involve even more dismounted work than FR, whilst still maintaining more vehicle work than most Infantry will experience.
 
#6
Thanks lads, QDG look like the obvious choice and my recruiter said I could stay on scimitar or the new upgrade of I wanted to stay on the armoured side of things.

However, I was then told by another sgt in the officer to go MBT as they also have FR sqd but was then told they don't have a future and after 2020 will most likly be scrapped and their FR don't do the same job as BRFs. Whats your views? Will they survive last 2020 and do their FRs do the same dismounted roles as QDG. I want to make the right desicion and my recruiter doesn't seem to have the answers.
It sounds like you are not getting the clear advice that you should be from the recruiting office. I suspect you may have heard a bit of office banter amongst the recruiting office staff.

Neither FR (now Brigade Reconnaissance) nor MBT is being got rid of entirely, but as you will know, the army is changing quite a bit between now and 2020. In that time some regiments will change role. Nobody yet knows whether the QDG (or any other regiment for that matter) will be doing exactly the same thing in 2020 as it is now. Best not to worry about it at this stage, join the regiment whose current role best appeals to you. If you come from their recruiting area then so much the better. You clearly want a good mixture of mounted and dismounted soldiering and I suspect (given your other choice was the Welsh Guards) that you are from Wales or close by; therefore QDG would seem an excellent choice for you (they are a good regiment in my experience).
 
#7
(they are a good regiment in my experience).
They were a cracking regiment during the 3 years I was attached to them (MBT role at the time) and I would highly recomennd them.

Very professional and efficient in everything they did but you could enjoy it at the same time.
And at that time, I cannot speak for now, there were no attached arms. When you were with them you were QDG, you just wore a different capbadge to them.

And Waterloo dinners. What more needs to be said.
 
#8
Thanks for the replies lads.

If I was to join a MBT regiment however. Which would you advise. As I'm from Wales I don't have a associated regiment so I was thinking 1 or 2 RTR but wouldn't know which to choose, I know their amlagimating in 2014 but I have 2 years until then. Any advice? Ta
 
#9
I would be very surprised if we end up with only RTR using MBT.
Likely that cavalry regts will switch between the roles therefor go for QDG.

All REME are bastards NAHNAHNAHNAH
 
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#10
I would be very surprised if we end up with only RTR using MBT.
Likely that cavalry regts will switch between the roles therefor go for QDG.

All REME are bastards NAHNAHNAHNAH
Highly unlikely that they will switch between roles. Arms plotting will not and should not happen again. The QDG will be a damned fine Light Cavalry Regiment based in Wales.
 

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#13
But in your personal opinion would you advise 1st or 2nd RTR? Sorry I'm a right pain bllocks I know
They'll be nearly the same thing by the time you get there, but I'd probably look at 2RTR. As all brigades will soon be moving to SPTA, it is likely that 1RTR will have to join 2 in Tidworth so if you joined the latter then at least you wouldn't have to move. That being said, I'm not sure you get the choice which one you go to.

I'd still not discount recce though.
 
#14
Highly unlikely that they will switch between roles. Arms plotting will not and should not happen again. The QDG will be a damned fine Light Cavalry Regiment based in Wales.
This is something we have discussed in other threads and it is probably better to muddy the waters here by continuing to argue for or against arms plotting. Although there is a clear knock on into recruiting, which is that without either arms plotting or trickle posting, the only people who will voluntarily get themselves into the adaptive forces regiments will be the reserve component.

To the OP, I suggest that you ignore my comments above relating to arms plotting, as this shouldn't be something for you to worry about at this stage. What you do need to appreciate is that there is going to be a bit of musical chairs going on, in terms of which roles regiments end up in, over the next few years. You have to take a bit of a punt and I strongly recommend you go to your local regiment for a variety of reasons. Firstly, it is a good regiment (again in my experience), secondly you are more likely to find yourself surrounded by like minded people, many of whom will come from areas close to home, so sharing a car journey for the weekend, etc. becomes much easier.

If you are desperate to go to an MBT regiment for some reason, then the RTR (either 1 or 2) would probably be the best choice as if I were a betting man I'd lay down a healthy wager that the RTR will end up being one of the remaining MBT regiments.
 
#16
So QDGs looks like the best option. So will they work on CVR-Ts or will they be replaced? BR looks great as a job as it looks like it combines armoured work with infantry work as well. Would you choose it over infantry?
 
#17
So QDGs looks like the best option. So will they work on CVR-Ts or will they be replaced? BR looks great as a job as it looks like it combines armoured work with infantry work as well. Would you choose it over infantry?
I'd choose anything over the infantry!
 

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#18
So QDGs looks like the best option. So will they work on CVR-Ts or will they be replaced? BR looks great as a job as it looks like it combines armoured work with infantry work as well. Would you choose it over infantry?
It seems probable that they will get the light cavalry role on Jackal. This will involve even more dismounted work than BR.

If they do stay as BR then they'll get Scout SV (formerly known as FRES) in about 2020 and will remain on scimitar until then.

I would definitely choose the QDG over the infantry as it gives you more variety. The trade off is that you will be less of a 'pure soldier' and won't have the same quality of dismounted skills as the infantry. You also wont have the same opportunity to do public duties as you would with WG. As I said, I'm glad I chose to join the cavalry but most of my infantry friends are equally happy with their choice so you need to make up your own mind.
 
#19
It seems probable that they will get the light cavalry role on Jackal. This will involve even more dismounted work than BR.
While you may well be right I had not heard that any such decisions were even close to being made. Is your reason for suggesting it, that they are currently based in Germany therefore unlikely to relocate back to the Salisbury Plain locale and thus fated (damned perhaps) to become part of the adaptive force?

The trade off is that you will be less of a 'pure soldier' and won't have the same quality of dismounted skills as the infantry.
I would tend to disagree with your first point, I think recce soldiering has earned a 'purity' all it's own, although I'll grant you that there will be a slight trade off in terms of mounted manoeuvre versus dismounted close combat.

To the second point, my view is that BRF soldiers in particular should have a slightly different dismounted close combat skill set to their infantry counterparts. However in my (fairly recent) experience, the RAC BRFs were trained in exactly the same dismounted skills and achieved exactly the same dismounted standards as light role infantry companies. While I was pleasantly surprised when I first saw one signed off as such, my view is that BRFs should not necessarily be trained as infantry companies but should instead (eventually) follow a specific BRF training programme that recognises the differences between a BRF and an infantry company.
 
#20
Have you been hanging around men in red trousers by any chance?!
The red trousers did ring a bell but I couldn´t quite place it.
Having received an explanation by PM that it was a reference to the KRH, I never served with them.

The "All REME are bastards, NAHNAHNAHNAH" was a reference to the QDGs, and it was sung along to the tune of Lillibullero. Them who were there at the various times will remember it along with the various surprises we sprung.
 

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