16 Sigs & Bradbury Barracks

#1
I noticed a few posts on this Forum re: Bradbury Barracks and 16 Signal Regiment. I was posted there in 1964 after failing Morse at 224 Sig Squadron (Radio) Spec Op training.

I was re-mustered for 'Comcen Op' training and posted out to 16 Sigs in the summer of 1964. I remember those old barrack blocks, the NAFFI bar, Cookhouse etc.

I completed my B3 Comcen Op training and was posted straight to 28 Sigs 'Fransca Barracks' St. Tonis - Cor what a dump that was. As a naive 19 year old Squaddie, I was told that 28 Sigs back then was a 'Punishment Posting' for all the hard cases in the Royal Signals, not sure if this was true or not but there were quite a few regimental 'Piss-heads' and other 'not quite right' geezers.

I also heard that there was various stories about Bradbury barracks such as the underground Panzer garages below the main drill square. I had been told a story that someone had actually explored these garages but had to wear a scuba outfit as these garages had been flooded. The rumour mill said that there were a number of old German Tiger Tanks still down there.

When stationed at 28 Sigs, some of us volunteered for shifts down the 'Hole' Signal & Relay Centre below RHQ at Bradbury Barracks. I also remember storys of guys on the night shifts breaking into the Officer Mess Wine Cellars under those building. Booze being drank and half empty wine bottles being 'topped off' with Squaddies pee. I wonder if there were a few sick officers from drinking taht concoctions.

The story about the Tiger Tanks under the main drill quare was confrmed to me in 2003 by a serving R Sigs Sergeant who siad that the Main square had collapsed due to the weight of vehicles parked there, and the old German Panzer Garages were revealed.

When at Bradbury Barracks I also completed a Basic german Language course, so could go out to the German Pubs to ask for Beer, Wurst and Pommes Frits mit Mayo. All great fun. But many later, I see that Bradbury barracks has now closed down. the same happened to Fransisca Barracks St Tonis apparently closed down in 2004.

Happy Days to all those Old Geezers who were at both these Regiments in and around Krefeld. :p :?

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#2
I stayed at Bradbury a few times and heard the same story, but I also heard the same thing in several other barracks in germany.
Not sure if they were all urban myths or just told to me to help me sleep in the lonely old part of the building I was stuck in!
I had 'heavy petting' with the C.O's daughter at 16 sigs when I went with the cadets in 1974! that was no myth :D happy days 8)
 
#3
Did two tours of 16, the last one in the late eighties and I have heard all the stories about flooded garages under the square, not convinced myself but stranger things have turned out to be true. My experience of ghosts there is this: In the eighties an alternate HQ (to JHQ?) was established in the cellars of block three, I was on a sleeping duty during one exercise and locked myself in the cellars for the night, just me. I woke up in the middle of the night and made out a silhouette of someone standing at the end of my camp bed. Being the roughy toughy R Relay full screw that I was, I said in my deepest scariest voice who’s that?” No reply, so I dived for the light switch, ready to defend BAOR against who knew what (or run!) There, hanging by its hood, from heating pipes running along the ceiling, , was my sleeping bag that I had hung there earlier cos it was too hot.
 
#4
roadster280 said:
Uncle Vanya,

I was there 30ish years later. Nothing changes!

But... did you ever go in the Ammo bunker? why did it have an underground driveway? Why was the mound at the top of Westpark so high?

I went by about 5 years ago, you'd cry at the state of the place. All those fcuking cobblestones, and weeds as high as your knees.

What kind of monstrous machine was in the pit under RHQ then? In my day, it was stripped out, just a pit about 25 feet deep (I kid you not). The old CDA under the other bit of RHQ was empty too, kind of eerie going down there.
7 Sigs used the old CDA as their Crypto cells for the various squadrons - spent quite some time down there myself.

Dunno about some monstrous pit under the other part of RHQ - there was a massive Scalextric set up down there if I recall - bit dusty too!
 
#5
roadster280 said:
Uncle Vanya,

I was there 30ish years later. Nothing changes!

But... did you ever go in the Ammo bunker? why did it have an underground driveway? Why was the mound at the top of Westpark so high?

I went by about 5 years ago, you'd cry at the state of the place. All those fcuking cobblestones, and weeds as high as your knees.

What kind of monstrous machine was in the pit under RHQ then? In my day, it was stripped out, just a pit about 25 feet deep (I kid you not). The old CDA under the other bit of RHQ was empty too, kind of eerie going down there.

Re: Westpark - I saw some old plans of the camp when I was at 16 (85-88)...there were several ammo bunkers located on the raised area which later became a car park (near the old 25m range). I suspect that this was because the barracks were occupied by a panzer recce regt, so large quantities of ammo would be the norm.
 
#6
I served there in the early 90's and had the task of cleaning out the Regt museum. I came across some survey plans by the RE after the war of some kind of bunker system behind the Officers Mess. Nothing about any tank park/garages under the square though. Also came across a picture of Hitler stood on the stairs in RHQ.
 
#7
I’ve been hearing stories about flooded underground bunkers and hidden rooms at Bradbury Bks since I first served there in ’87 and as far as I know it’s never been confirmed. There were some bricked up doorways in the Tech Wksps, which was located in one of the cellars, but I don’t think they were ever opened up or explored.
I’ve heard the story about tanks under the square before but I was told years later that during the war Bradbury was home to a Panzer Grenadier Regiment so it’s unlikely that there were ever any tanks there.
 
#9
Bradbury barracks is/was known to the locals as the Flakbarracke.
Just found some more info!

Die ehemalige Adolf von Nassau Kaserne wurde am 14. August 1938 vom
Aufklärungs-Abteilung (motorisiert) 6 bezogen.
The former Adolf von Nassau barracks was manned by the 6th motorized recce regt* from 14 Aug 1938.


Going to do some research on that name.


Just found out that the barracks used to be the home of the 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards in the 1950s.

http://users.chariot.net.au/~jahill/army1.htm

Some good photos here.

http://users.chariot.net.au/~jahill/bradbks.htm
 
#10
Steven said:
Bradbury barracks is/was known to the locals as the Flakbarracke.
Just found some more info!

Die ehemalige Adolf von Nassau Kaserne wurde am 14. August 1938 vom
Aufklärungs-Abteilung (motorisiert) 6 bezogen.
The former Adolf von Nassau barracks was manned by the 6th motorized recce regt* from 14 Aug 1938.


Going to do some research on that name.


Just found out that the barracks used to be the home of the 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards in the 1950s.

http://users.chariot.net.au/~jahill/army1.htm

Some good photos here.

http://users.chariot.net.au/~jahill/bradbks.htm




Steven,
this link shopws some units stationed in Krefeld, but no photos.

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/inhaltsverzeichnisKasernen.htm
 
#12
Hi i am Ferdi Tillmanns from Germany. The city of Krefeld plans to built new housing at Bradbury Barracks on top of the old drill court. Unfortunately they got all the rumours about whats underneath it.
Anyway, my question is, does anybody know of the hidden entrances to the bunker? Does anybody still have some pictures of the bunker or the hidden doors. Everything has been bricked up.
Is somebody of 16th sigs still living in Krefeld or the neighborhood?
Thank you in advance,

Ferdi Tillmanns
 
#13
Hi i am Ferdi Tillmanns from Germany. The city of Krefeld plans to built new housing at Bradbury Barracks on top of the old drill court. Unfortunately they got all the rumours about whats underneath it.
Anyway, my question is, does anybody know of the hidden entrances to the bunker? Does anybody still have some pictures of the bunker or the hidden doors. Everything has been bricked up.
Is somebody of 16th sigs still living in Krefeld or the neighborhood?
Thank you in advance,

Ferdi Tillmanns
Best place to look would be in the cellars under the cookhouse as there were some really heavy and well sealed doors under there though I think you will find that the "there is a panzer divison underwater under the square" is sort of a story that is told about nearly all the old barracks in Germany.

So are you one of these urban explorers or something to do with the stadt?
 
#14
Hi i am Ferdi Tillmanns from Germany. The city of Krefeld plans to built new housing at Bradbury Barracks on top of the old drill court. Unfortunately they got all the rumours about whats underneath it.
Anyway, my question is, does anybody know of the hidden entrances to the bunker? Does anybody still have some pictures of the bunker or the hidden doors. Everything has been bricked up.
Is somebody of 16th sigs still living in Krefeld or the neighborhood?
Thank you in advance,

Ferdi Tillmanns
Hi Ferdi,
I can't help you out with the Bradbury Barracks question I'm afraid, but I have one for you! What is the Stadt going to do with the old Fransisca Barracks site in Forstwald? I was over there a month or so ago and it is looking very sad and neglected.
 
#16
Best place to look would be in the cellars under the cookhouse as there were some really heavy and well sealed doors under there though I think you will find that the "there is a panzer divison underwater under the square" is sort of a story that is told about nearly all the old barracks in Germany.

So are you one of these urban explorers or something to do with the stadt?

Thanks for your response. I have nothing to do with the city of Krefeld. I am part tine working for a security company. They are protecting Bradbury Barracks and also Francisca barracks.
Some architects, which are planning some high standard housing above the square, are now afraid of all the rumours surrounding this area.
Not sure whats gonna happen now.

Regards
Ferdi
 
#17
Hi Ferdi,
I can't help you out with the Bradbury Barracks question I'm afraid, but I have one for you! What is the Stadt going to do with the old Fransisca Barracks site in Forstwald? I was over there a month or so ago and it is looking very sad and neglected.
They plan to knock Francisca down and they want built a new housing area. Unfortunately the aint have the money. Its a very shabby place now. Everything is nicked or destroyed. I still got the key to look around. It was a beautiful place when i was young
 
#18
They plan to knock Francisca down and they want built a new housing area. Unfortunately the aint have the money. Its a very shabby place now. Everything is nicked or destroyed. I still got the key to look around. It was a beautiful place when i was young
Thanks for the update. You're right, it is sad to see it in the state it is in now. It was a cracking little barracks, tucked away in the forest. The only thing that spoiled it for us was sharing the camp with a Dutch Signal Squadron, which meant that our unit (280 Sig Sqn) was undergoing Compulsary Drug Testing (CDT) every other month, as the camp was known as a "hot spot" for low-level trafficking; the goods coming over the nearby Dutch Border every Sunday evening when the part-timers returned to Barracks!!
Regards
 
#19
Fellas,

Sorry to pour water on the fire but the Panzers under the Square and flooded cellars is an urban myth common across BFG (or whatever you call it now).

I was in Detmold - Hobart Bks, same story, Paderborn - Barker Bks, same again.

If there really are tanks under parade squares, wouldn't the Germans have used them in the last weeks and months of the war ? - even statically (such as the spirited defence of Hermann the German near Detmold by a platoon of Hitler Youth - they could have used a broken down tank !).

Also, any surplus would have been used as museum pieces / evaluation models or simply gate guardians by the allies.

Barker Bks was a Tank Trg establishment but alas the saggy bulge in the Parade Square isn't subsidence into a Tank hanger (!!) - it's simply crap workmanship.

The only story that was confirmed to be true is the tunnel connecting Hobart Bks with the other Bks about a mile and a half away in Detmold.

Sorry to myth-bust some of your fantasies - I'd also like to point out that a Royal Signals Sgt certainly doesn't add credence to a tall tail :)
 
#20
I think you are a Cnut

signed

Royal Signals Sgt.............Toss-pot Clanker!
 

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