14 bore cartridges.

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A chum of mine has a very cool and very interesting 14b drilling hammergun (side by side shotgun with a single rifle barrel underneath).

I’ve had a good look at it and despite being very old, it’s in fantastic nick. I’d have no hesitation shooting it.

Does anyone know of anywhere I can get some 14b cartridges? I’d love to get him a box for Christmas.

Alternatively anyone got any innovative suggestions for making 16b cartridges fit?

Line the chambers with something?
 

Helm

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A chum of mine has a very cool and very interesting 14b drilling hammergun (side by side shotgun with a single rifle barrel underneath).

I’ve had a good look at it and despite being very old, it’s in fantastic nick. I’d have no hesitation shooting it.

Does anyone know of anywhere I can get some 14b cartridges? I’d love to get him a box for Christmas.

Alternatively anyone got any innovative suggestions for making 16b cartridges fit?

Line the chambers with something?
Might be worth an ask if you know any of the muzzle loading fraternity, they use weird bore sizes like that
 

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Might be worth an ask if you know any of the muzzle loading fraternity, they use weird bore sizes like that
Yep, from what I gather it’s quite a common muzzle loading size.

I’m after shotgun cartridges though. It’s a breech loader with normal chambers as per a modern shotgun.
 

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Yep, from what I gather it’s quite a common muzzle loading size.

I’m after shotgun cartridges though. It’s a breech loader with normal chambers as per a modern shotgun.
Yeah I meant more as a line of enquiry as to a supplier than them having any.
 

ugly

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Have you looked at Clay and Game?
 

ugly

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If you can get empty cases I may know someone into specialised reloading!
 
Might be my only option.

“Delivery time 4 - 5 months.”

Ouch.
We haven't had ready-made in that gauge over here for 100 years.

The difference between 14b and 16b is going to be about 0.8mm so a few wraps of electrical tape might work.

Just thinking out loud, perhaps, there might be some 14b available across the channel...
 

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We haven't had ready-made in that gauge over here for 100 years.

The difference between 14b and 16b is going to be about 0.8mm so a few wraps of electrical tape might work.

Just thinking out loud, perhaps, there might be some 14b available across the channel...
I was thinking some aluminium from a coke can wrapped around a 16b cartridge might do the trick.
 

ugly

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I was thinking some aluminium from a coke can wrapped around a 16b cartridge might do the trick.
You heathen, how will the rim work?
There are bore adaptors available. I have some for rifles. Somewhere!
 
The difference in bore size is only around 30 thou , can't see that as a problem.

Rim OD are 30 thou different as well.
 
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Yep, from what I gather it’s quite a common muzzle loading size.

I’m after shotgun cartridges though. It’s a breech loader with normal chambers as per a modern shotgun.
2 years to late -

I found a load in the neighbours attic (mix of 14 and 12) which I disposed** of and kit to make own cartridge

** Sensibly of course at no time did I charge a coke can and run a powder fuse to it or any other silliness like that (if there was any chance of SWMBO catching me )
 
I can get some Magtech Brass 16G cases , maybe they could be fire formed ?

Edit , pretty sure this would work , you should get several reloads out of them , just dont get too ambitious with the loads , is it Nitro or BP?
 
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I can get some Magtech Brass 16G cases , maybe they could be fire formed ?

Edit , pretty sure this would work , you should get several reloads out of them , just dont get too ambitious with the loads , is it Nitro or BP?
Wouldn't the thicker base end stay 16 bore and the rest expand to 14 ?
 

gorillaguts981

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Found this quote from Perrin's gunmakers,
'It would appear that 14 bore cartridges stopped being manufactured in around 1920, which may explain the excellent condition of this gun, but also makes firing it difficult. There have been several suggestions that various continental manufacturers are still making limited quantities of 14 bore cartridges but as yet I have not found them.
I obtained a quantity of 14 bore brass cases but unbeknown to me 14 bore cartridges where made in two sizes of rim, either thick or thin. Unluckily the gun is thin rim and the cartridges were thick but luckily this way round they could be machined down. They do work but have a habit of being difficult to extract. I have loaded the gastightes several times but the best way I have found to shoot the gun is to use conventional 16 bore cartridges and wrap a couple of layers of masking tape round the case to create a snug fit. This works extremely well and she kills pheasant as well as the best of them when I point her in the right direction.'
Font size has gone tonto but the message is as copied. Hope this helps.
 

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Would firing thin rims in a thick rim chambered gun cause problems as the cartridges slam into the face on firing ?
Would definitely cause a bit more recoil.

I recall certain yank brands of cartridges have different rims to European ones. We’d always ask American customers if they shot these and make the rims a bit deeper.

When I was testing them, they always seemed to kick more with standard cartridges.

I suppose it depends how deep the rims are, but a certain amount of play shouldn’t damage the gun.
 

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