13 August 2021 - 60th Anniversary of the Berlin Wall

Have you?
It's clear that all this stuff is being scraped from other internet resources and you're passing it off as your own experiences - of course, the history of a serial liar and lifelong resident of Birmingham, later Nottingham, wouldn't be nearly as fanciful, would it?
Making up stories about things you wanted to have happened, never passes the test of being released into reality - but I don't need to tell you that, do I?
You smelly old liar.
He's been a liar since I first read him on Military.com back around 2006

thats when he SAS walted
 
I was hoping to read more about your exploits in the Falklands, Baghdad, cricket pitch, athletics field, boxing ring, etc..
he hasnt decided if he was SAS or Buzco Tactico (or both) while on the Falklands.

he would not be a wart on Patricio Dowlings left nut
 
Except that not true. The West Germans have been propagandising for years that it was solely the East Germans who were responsible for the Berlin Wall wholly confident that they had the public ear.


Uhh any pics of the West Germans building the wall Clausewitless?
 
Seriously? your going to use STASI evidence backed by not one name or verifiable source. You might as well mention the protocols of the elders of zion as proof against Jews. So laughable that in this day and age that anyone with a modicum of brains would fall for this shit
Probably Allan Lightner:

c) On 22 October 1961, at around 7.15 p.m., the Deputy Chief of the US Mission, Mr. Lightner, and his wife were refused entry to the SBS at the Friedrichstr. border crossing by the Vopo because they refused to identify themselves.

As these incidents became more frequent due to the behaviour of the Vopo, from 26.10.1961 onwards American troops with tanks temporarily drove into the SBS. As these incidents became more frequent due to the behaviour of the Vopo, from 26 October 1961 onwards, American troops with tanks temporarily set up at the border crossing in Friedrichstrasse and repeatedly secured attempts by American civilians, some of whom were under military guard. They repeatedly secured attempts by American civilians to force their way across the border, some of them under military escort. These American demonstrations On 27 October 1961, prompted by these American demonstrations, Soviet tanks drove up at the Friedrichstrasse border crossing for the first time, so that in the night of 27 to 28 October 1961 American and Soviet tanks faced each other.


But on 22 October 1961, just two months after the construction of the Wall, the US Chief of Mission in West Berlin, E. Allan Lightner, was stopped in his car (which had occupation forces license plates) while crossing at Checkpoint Charlie to go to a theatre in East Berlin.

Lightner was, if I remember correctly, in the right, Allied vehicles were not allowed to be controlled.
But with Buggers it's always a problem, he's got his head so far up his arrse that he will never see light again.
 
I had booked a weekend in Paris with the then missus.
She had always wanted to go for a romantic weekend..
When i saw it on the news, i said f*ck that we are going to Berlin " Its going to be the biggest party of the century".
She flatly refused, and i said fu*k it we are not going anywhere then.
Still regret not going.
We ended up staying at home.
 
What makes you think that? As I already stated, I arrived in West Berlin in the spring of 1975 (which would make it about two years according to your erroneous calculations - but at the same time, I realise that you're just looking for something to "pick up on" :-D).

I meant between 77 and 80 sure. Didn't realise one was queuing for potatoes in Berlin-SozialistWelthauptstadt during those years

Any other queries? Aye, what went on in your "workshop" in Zehlendorf? Bashing and distribution?
 
We were damned near neighbours, I'm in Rastatt.
Only ever driven past Rastatt at a high rate of knots on the A5.
I was last over 2018. We rented an apartment in Schöllbronn and spent a week or so visiting old friends and old haunts around Ettlingen and the Albtal. It’s a beautiful part of the world and I wish I could visit more often.
 

goodoldboy

MIA
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I had booked a weekend in Paris with the then missus.
She had always wanted to go for a romantic weekend..
When i saw it on the news, i said f*ck that we are going to Berlin " Its going to be the biggest party of the century".
She flatly refused, and i said fu*k it we are not going anywhere then.
Still regret not going.
We ended up staying at home.
You should've gone mate. I went for the first time in 2015 got three nights and loved it, especially the historic aspects and the contrasts. I even saw a Red Squirrel in a park opposite the Reichstag (another first)! Put it on the list...
 
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Brit military going across were restricted as to how much they could spend. The idea was that it was unfair for us, with our ten-to-one money, to buy up things and create shortages for the ordinary Ostie folk.
The Yanks didn't seem to restrain themselves.
 

sirfinthenet

Clanker
I was 12 years old when the wall went up. Living in Spandau, Dad was stationed at Alexander barracks, Just prior to it, all the forces families had suitcases packed ready to come home in case it kicked off. Had a brilliant time as a kid in the 50s and early 60s living in Berlin.
 

goodoldboy

MIA
Book Reviewer
@DaManBugs An interesting start but I'm surprised you didn't mention that the real reason the Berlin Wall was erected by the comrades was to enclose and seal off West Berlin from the GDR.

They were embarrassed continually by their subjects in East Berlin commuting to and from work in West Berlin daily before 1961. For their Easterners to draw the higher wages in the West (and be exposed to a decadent society) yet live cheaply and organised in East Berlin was too much for the Eastern Bloc to bear.

Has it ever crossed your mind that the Soviet plan could have been to limit all movements into West Berlin and to eventually make the western Allies give up on that half of the city? A daily squadron of mercy flights - as per the 1948 airlifts - would, perhaps, have made West Berlin untenable for the Allies in the minds of the comrades, who may have been hoping for a complete evacuation of citizens, thus allowing them to walk in and take over.

Do you imagine therefore that the sealing off of West Berlin with the Wall was just the start of a master plan by the Soviets to get rid of the thorn in their flesh?

The Soviets knew that they would probably lose in an all out war over West Berlin so they most likely decided to try and take it by stealth and deceit, starting with the Wall and then escalating by applying complete restrictions on rail, road and river movements from the west and so on. I doubt you would have been free to drive your red Alfa Romeo from West to East if their ultimate plans had been successful. Thankfully, in time, they failed miserably as we have seen...
 

DaManBugs

LE
Book Reviewer
@DaManBugs An interesting start but I'm surprised you didn't mention that the real reason the Berlin Wall was erected by the comrades was to enclose and seal off West Berlin from the GDR.

They were embarrassed continually by their subjects in East Berlin commuting to and from work in West Berlin daily before 1961. For their Easterners to draw the higher wages in the West (and be exposed to a decadent society) yet live cheaply and organised in East Berlin was too much for the Eastern Bloc to bear.

Has it ever crossed your mind that the Soviet plan could have been to limit all movements into West Berlin and to eventually make the western Allies give up on that half of the city? A daily squadron of mercy flights - as per the 1948 airlifts - would, perhaps, have made West Berlin untenable for the Allies in the minds of the comrades, who may have been hoping for a complete evacuation of citizens, thus allowing them to walk in and take over.

Do you imagine therefore that the sealing off of West Berlin with the Wall was just the start of a master plan by the Soviets to get rid of the thorn in their flesh?

The Soviets knew that they would probably lose in an all out war over West Berlin so they most likely decided to try and take it by stealth and deceit, starting with the Wall and then escalating by applying complete restrictions on rail, road and river movements from the west and so on. I doubt you would have been free to drive your red Alfa Romeo from West to East if their ultimate plans had been successful. Thankfully, in time, they failed miserably as we have seen...
That's an interesting notion, actually, but I'm not wholly convinced that the two incidents were part of a "master plan". The fact is that the Soviets always wanted the other Allies out of Berlin, but there's a bit of a back-story to the Berlin Blockade that's not widely known.

With the war over and the Allies occupying their various sectors in Berlin, the Brits and Septics introduced a "Berlin currency" to largely replace the barter system that was extant at the time. Foolishly, they gave the Soviets a set of printing plates too. They (the Soviets) immediately produced millions of notes to pay off their squaddies and live the high life. That, again, threw the Berlin economy into turmoil.

When the Septics introduced the Deutschmark into West Germany (to replace the Reichsmark) at the end of the 1940s, the Soviets asked if they could have a set of printing plates - remember that Germany was still an undivided country at that time. The Septics, and the Brits, weren't about to make the same mistake twice and so they refused the Soviet request. That was the initial trigger for the Berlin Blockade.

It's quite possible that the erection of the Berlin Wall was designed to make things as difficult as possible for the Allies, but by that time (1961) various agreements had been reached to ensure that Berlin could be adequately supplied with goods and commodities by air, water and road. And, just as during the Berlin Blockade, the Allies and West Germany again rose to the occasion and actually "over supplied" West Berlin from 1961 onwards in a largely successful attempt to cock a snook at the Soviet efforts.

In addition, rents in West Berlin (which had its own Senate) were heavily subsidised, as were everyday commodities. To tempt younger West Germans to move to West Berlin to "replace" the rapidly aging population there, it was decreed that young lads of the corresponding age were exempt from obgligatory consctiption if they were registered and lived in West Berlin - at that time, younger females weren't subject to conscription. One, slight, drawback, if it can be called that, was that citizens registered as living in West Berlin were ineligible to vote in the West German general elections due to the "demilitarised status" (really!) of the city. But I don't believe any folks lost sleep over that arrangement.

MsG
 
That's an interesting notion, actually, but I'm not wholly convinced that the two incidents were part of a "master plan". The fact is that the Soviets always wanted the other Allies out of Berlin, but there's a bit of a back-story to the Berlin Blockade that's not widely known.
Yes this "bit of back-story" is in your demented brain, the rest of the world knows it under the name "lie".
With the war over and the Allies occupying their various sectors in Berlin, the Brits and Septics introduced a "Berlin currency" to largely replace the barter system that was extant at the time. Foolishly, they gave the Soviets a set of printing plates too. They (the Soviets) immediately produced millions of notes to pay off their squaddies and live the high life. That, again, threw the Berlin economy into turmoil.
There was no Berlin currency apart from cigarettes, until June 1948 the currency was the Reichsmark and the Rentenmark after this day the Deutsche Mark.
Bloody pigeon molesting liar.
When the Septics introduced the Deutschmark into West Germany (to replace the Reichsmark) at the end of the 1940s, the Soviets asked if they could have a set of printing plates - remember that Germany was still an undivided country at that time. The Septics, and the Brits, weren't about to make the same mistake twice and so they refused the Soviet request. That was the initial trigger for the Berlin Blockade.
The Deutsche Mark was introduced in the Trizone not only in the American occupied zone and Germany was divided, in the Occupation Zones you lying conniving Mick cum dump.
It's quite possible that the erection of the Berlin Wall was designed to make things as difficult as possible for the Allies, but by that time (1961) various agreements had been reached to ensure that Berlin could be adequately supplied with goods and commodities by air, water and road. And, just as during the Berlin Blockade, the Allies and West Germany again rose to the occasion and actually "over supplied" West Berlin from 1961 onwards in a largely successful attempt to cock a snook at the Soviet efforts.
In 1961, the civilian economy had taken hold, so the Allies did not "oversupply" anything.
You lying, stupid piece of pigeon shit.
In addition, rents in West Berlin (which had its own Senate) were heavily subsidised, as were everyday commodities. To tempt younger West Germans to move to West Berlin to "replace" the rapidly aging population there, it was decreed that young lads of the corresponding age were exempt from obgligatory consctiption if they were registered and lived in West Berlin - at that time, younger females weren't subject to conscription. One, slight, drawback, if it can be called that, was that citizens registered as living in West Berlin were ineligible to vote in the West German general elections due to the "demilitarised status" (really!) of the city. But I don't believe any folks lost sleep over that arrangement.

MsG
There was rent control in Berlin but no subsidies and what was certainly not enacted was that young lads of the corresponding age were exempt from compulsory conscription if they were registered and lived in West Berlin to "rejuvenate" the population there you lying moron. Women were never conscripted.

Berliners didn't have to do military service, which prompted all the cowardly, incompetent and useless sods who didn't want to join the Bundeswehr to move to the city. You would certainly have felt at home there among equals if you had ever been there. Although why do I say among equals? These people who were not even able to tie their shoelaces were still infinitely superior to you.

By the way, Berlin was not demilitarised, you inbred cretin, otherwise there would not have been the Berlin Infantry Brigade of the British Army and the Berlin Brigade of the USA. There was the so-called four-power status, the people of Berlin were not allowed to vote directly for their Bundestag representatives. So the Berlin deputies for the Bundestag were elected by the Berlin House of Representatives on the day of the Bundestag elections, you brainless piece of amphibian excrement.

What we really need is a Foul Ole Bogsy is a liar button.
 
Yes this "bit of back-story" is in your demented brain, the rest of the world knows it under the name "lie".

There was no Berlin currency apart from cigarettes, until June 1948 the currency was the Reichsmark and the Rentenmark after this day the Deutsche Mark.
Bloody pigeon molesting liar.

The Deutsche Mark was introduced in the Trizone not only in the American occupied zone and Germany was divided, in the Occupation Zones you lying conniving Mick cum dump.

In 1961, the civilian economy had taken hold, so the Allies did not "oversupply" anything.
You lying, stupid piece of pigeon shit.

There was rent control in Berlin but no subsidies and what was certainly not enacted was that young lads of the corresponding age were exempt from compulsory conscription if they were registered and lived in West Berlin to "rejuvenate" the population there you lying moron. Women were never conscripted.

Berliners didn't have to do military service, which prompted all the cowardly, incompetent and useless sods who didn't want to join the Bundeswehr to move to the city. You would certainly have felt at home there among equals if you had ever been there. Although why do I say among equals? These people who were not even able to tie their shoelaces were still infinitely superior to you.

By the way, Berlin was not demilitarised, you inbred cretin, otherwise there would not have been the Berlin Infantry Brigade of the British Army and the Berlin Brigade of the USA. There was the so-called four-power status, the people of Berlin were not allowed to vote directly for their Bundestag representatives. So the Berlin deputies for the Bundestag were elected by the Berlin House of Representatives on the day of the Bundestag elections, you brainless piece of amphibian excrement.

What we really need is a Foul Ole Bogsy is a liar button.

@DaManBugs
I hope you arent going to let him get away with these vicious slurs against your good character, Bugsy.
 

DaManBugs

LE
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My, my. Things do get very tedious on ARRSE at times. Those who have become unsure about the details I gave about Berlin in a previous post, can read about it themselves in this book:
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MsG
 
My, my. Things do get very tedious on ARRSE at times. Those who have become unsure about the details I gave about Berlin in a previous post, can read about it themselves in this book:
Amazon product
MsG
A book about the Berlin Airlift, which only took place because of and after the currency reform and the introduction of the Deutschmark in Berlin, can therefore explain your lies about the time before and long (1961) after?
You are so fvcking stupid that you stink.
 
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