12k to troubles victims

#1
The government is to be asked to pay £12,000 to the families of all those killed during the Troubles - including members of paramilitary groups.
The families of paramilitary victims, members of the security forces and civilians who were killed will all be entitled to the same amount.
The payment is expected to be recommended by the group set up to advise on how to deal with the past.
The Consultative Group on the Past is to publish its report next week.
If the recommendation is accepted by the government, the cost would be an estimated £40m.
The group, co-chaired by Lord Eames and Denis Bradley, is expected to say there should be no hierarchy of victims and that everyone should be treated in the same way.
That would mean the family of the IRA Shankill bomber Thomas Begley would receive the same for his death as those of the families of the nine civilians he killed.
Likewise, the families of two UVF members killed while they planted a bomb that also killed three members of the Miami Showband in 1975 will be entitled to the same payment as those of the victims.
The Consultative Group on the Past is also expected to recommend the creation of a five year legacy commission, appointed by the British and Irish governments, to deal with the past - and to say there should be no further public inquiries.
The total cost of the proposals would be £300m, and the Irish government will be asked to make a significant contribution.
More than 3,000 people died during the Northern Ireland Troubles and the group was set up to find ways forward in dealing with that legacy.
No issue with it if it is across the board - but will it include Police and Military victims as well - thats not made clear.

BBC.
 
#2
Their not going to give out money to the All Ireland Sliming Team, are they?
 
#3
Ord_Sgt said:
The government is to be asked to pay £12,000 to the families of all those killed during the Troubles - including members of paramilitary groups.
The families of paramilitary victims, members of the security forces and civilians who were killed will all be entitled to the same amount.The payment is expected to be recommended by the group set up to advise on how to deal with the past.
The Consultative Group on the Past is to publish its report next week.
If the recommendation is accepted by the government, the cost would be an estimated £40m.
The group, co-chaired by Lord Eames and Denis Bradley, is expected to say there should be no hierarchy of victims and that everyone should be treated in the same way.
That would mean the family of the IRA Shankill bomber Thomas Begley would receive the same for his death as those of the families of the nine civilians he killed.
Likewise, the families of two UVF members killed while they planted a bomb that also killed three members of the Miami Showband in 1975 will be entitled to the same payment as those of the victims.
The Consultative Group on the Past is also expected to recommend the creation of a five year legacy commission, appointed by the British and Irish governments, to deal with the past - and to say there should be no further public inquiries.
The total cost of the proposals would be £300m, and the Irish government will be asked to make a significant contribution.
More than 3,000 people died during the Northern Ireland Troubles and the group was set up to find ways forward in dealing with that legacy.
No issue with it if it is across the board - but will it include Police and Military victims as well - thats not made clear.

BBC.
My Red and bold.

Personally, any scum who is known to have been a terrorist shouldn´t be able to apply, or their family be able to apply.

That´ll save 96 grand from Loughgall alone. And a further 36 grand from the Gib shootings.

That could be used to compensate the familys of the 7 horses killed at Regents Park. I bet they haven´t even been thought of.
 
#4
I must be blind - I didn't see that CF, thanks.
 
#5
Flip side

£40 Million. Flat. No more enquiries, no more whinging from Terrs.

The Bloody Sunday Enquiry has cost £400 Million to date and has anyone actually seen the final report??? Even it's own website still says that the report is currently in preparation. .......

Quick poke adds Late 2009 for publication

On second thoughts....Why the f**k didn't they think of this in 98? Or do I hear a gravy Train at Platform 1?
 
#6
Is this a ******* joke? How far do these group hugs need to go? The only thing I agree with here is that there should be no more public enquiries.

Let history become history without the ridiculousness of thinking we need to pay everyone to forget.
 
#7
"....No issue with it, if it is for all ..."

So you think there is some sort of equivalence between murdering scum and the innocent men, women and children who were killed at their hands. Because that is what this is about. It will be followed by appeals for posthumous pardons for all terrorists because we've all accepted that they too were victims (of British imperialist oppresion). Pardons and recompense for the on the run terrorists. Parades and memorials to commemerate their dead!

They were murderers and scum - both sides of the sectarian divide. They fought in a cowardly way and died for their stupidity. Those that got early release from prison should thank their luck stars that they live in a benevolant free democracy that sometimes makes stupid decisions - like letting them go.

They still lost the war and deserve nothing. Give the money to the innocent casualties of their illegal war - claim the funds back from the political parties who promoted violence. I doubt the families of our brave soldiers would want to touch this blood money.
 
#8
With reference to those killed whilst involved in terrorist activities:
What next will they get?
GSM 1962 with clasp Northern Ireland?
Mong Gong?
Veterans Badge?
Preference for Council Houses?
Free membership of the British Legion?
Their own "group" march past at the Cenotaph on Remeberance Sunday?
Access to the Union Jack Club.
 
#9
This is just downright stupid.

It is unfair (and it doesn't matter how you view it, where you view it from or even what your viewpoint is) and will cause more bother than it is worth.

'Let's throw a load of cash around and say no more' solves absolutely nothing.
 
#11
Kitmarlowe said:
Flip side

£40 Million. Flat. No more enquiries, no more whinging from Terrs.

The Bloody Sunday Enquiry has cost £400 Million to date and has anyone actually seen the final report??? Even it's own website still says that the report is currently in preparation. .......

Quick poke adds Late 2009 for publication

On second thoughts....Why the f**k didn't they think of this in 98? Or do I hear a gravy Train at Platform 1?
Don't kid yourself. This is only one of the recomendations from the report. There is plenty more to come.
 
#12
Seems strange to me that we are providing compensation for everybody killed. Even innocent civilians. Is the government admitting responsibility for every single death? If not, then why should the government (and by extension pretty much all of us) provide the compensation?
 
#13
Kitmarlowe said:
Flip side

£40 Million. Flat. No more enquiries, no more whinging from Terrs.
Do you really think it will be that simple. If £12k were payed to the cowardly scums' families, it would be taken as an admission of guilt and would lead to more enquiries, more claims and more more wasted as it drags on.

But most of all it would be a slap in the face to all those who have served across there.
 
#14
Madness and betrayal.

Like apologising for the Falklands. About what we can expect from this country now.

Herrumph said:
"....No issue with it, if it is for all ..."

So you think there is some sort of equivalence between murdering scum and the innocent men, women and children who were killed at their hands. Because that is what this is about.
What he said.
 
#15
Michael Gallagher from the Omagh Victims Group has voiced his opposition to this quite absurd decision. He also said that there are some people in Norn Iron who are attempting to remove the word 'terrorist' from the dictionary and that this decision could possibly send the wrong message to those still of a terrrorist/criminal persuasion.
 
#16
Herrumph said:
"....No issue with it, if it is for all ..."

So you think there is some sort of equivalence between murdering scum and the innocent men, women and children who were killed at their hands. Because that is what this is about. It will be followed by appeals for posthumous pardons for all terrorists because we've all accepted that they too were victims (of British imperialist oppresion). Pardons and recompense for the on the run terrorists. Parades and memorials to commemerate their dead!

They were murderers and scum - both sides of the sectarian divide. They fought in a cowardly way and died for their stupidity. Those that got early release from prison should thank their luck stars that they live in a benevolant free democracy that sometimes makes stupid decisions - like letting them go.

They still lost the war and deserve nothing. Give the money to the innocent casualties of their illegal war - claim the funds back from the political parties who promoted violence. I doubt the families of our brave soldiers would want to touch this blood money.
Surely, moving to the future and not living in the past, with all its bitterness is progress. No matter how much it sticks in your throat, theres people that are alive today rather than dead and a few seconds on the news. I'll gladly be a bit bitter if thats the reward.
 
#17
Serving in NI has become a bit like rape " feckd and betrayed by the government" but what realy gets me going is that the shite that orderd my death is now a member of the NI assembly, there is no justice in this world. Perhaps the Labour Party are still feeling guilty for letting that ******** Harold Wilson Fekc it up in the first place in 1969 and Calahan again in 1976
 
#18
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't all prisoners released under the GFA recieve £16k each as a form of resettlement? If so that's more than monies to be paid to the victims and about 30 times what I recieved in resettlement grant.
 
#19
Edited for being full of crap.... again
 
#20
I belive the Gib shootings families already got compensated too, personally i think its a damn insult to all of us that have served in Ulster and have known someone that has been killed or injured at the hands of the scum that are free to wander the streets under the good friday agreement..

Only last week i had the misfortune of sitting in a court room in Belfast far too close to Sean Kelly the Shankhill Bomber who was up for a compensation claim, cant go into the details of the claim but lets just say it was a ridiculous one which should never have been allowed to progress that far...
 

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