12 Sites to close, being announced in Parliment at 15:00 apparently

The hysteria from the RN brigade on Twitter about Nelson is just utterly pathetic. Its an old building, its clapped out, its horrible to live in, the sooner it goes the better in my eyes.
Reminds me of a conference I attended some years ago when some twerp from DIO, thinking he was being amusing, suggested ripping the roof off Tedworth house and letting it rot. The room went silent with everyone else thinking "what a c@ck!

I have worked in old buildings and if maintained, they are vastly superior. I believe in our heritage and I can understand the outrage.

The University of Greenwich managed to damage the Dining Hall of the Old Naval College - thanks you little pr!cks for holding a disco with a snow machine in a heritage building!

New builds are universally shite. Talk about maintenance! Cheap and nasty most of them will need to come down in 30 years. I work in a new build at the moment, not enough space for the staff, constantly being repaired, horrible place to work.

What are developers going to do with a Gothic mansion on site? How many "luxury " motels can we use?

Aldershot should be interesting, the befuddled minds of the local planners are hoping for "an artistic precinct " around Hospital hill - more like heroin central where the locals will have to hard target around the old 4Div building!

It hacks me off that our heritage is up for sale, that buildings we probably need are being lost.

So what about Westminster then. Houses of Parliament, dreadful old building that needs billions spent on it. Not secure, not fit for purpose. How about selling it off, new build in the Midlands with accommodation for our Lords and Masters so they don't have to buy second homes and turn the old place into a Spearmint Rhino and Casino, full of East European tarts, lonely Chinese "businessmen" and Middle Eastern sex pests!

Sell off all the old furniture and paintings of old duffers, not needed in a modern work place surely.

Aspire and Sodhexo to provide catering and support - what could be better.

All the civil servants could move north, get themselves a nice little Barrett home and we could do away with London loading - you know it makes sense.

How about it ?
 
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simbo

LE
I was edinburgh tp 2000-2004, it was located at Craigiehall and has been for many years.

I wonder what the wagons at Dreghorn were doing. The only thing I can think of is when we went from Sherpas to Daf 45s and the garages had to be rebuilt.
Yep- I can remember virtually new garages being too small for the new wagons. IIRC the Officer's Mess is a listed building so they will have to find some use for it (one of the places Hess was held in the War as well). I won't miss the Sgt's Mess- it was very basic. Surprised both Infantry Barracks are going, Dreghorn was ideally suited just off the Ring Road.
 

Joker62

ADC
Book Reviewer
As title, we were told at 14:55 that our site would close (Kneller Hall) and move elswhere, yet to be disclosed, probably Minley or Chatham i would guess.

I cant find anything on the news websites, would like to know the other 11, no move before 2018 was said

anyone hear anything else???
That's the AvN Veterans matches scuppered then, plus the early morning beer and burger!
 
Reminds me of a conference I attended some years ago when some twerp from DIO, thinking he was being amusing, suggested ripping the roof off Tedworth house and letting it rot. The room went silent with everyone else thinking "what a c@ck!

I have worked in old buildings and if maintained, they are vastly superior. I believe in our heritage and I can understand the outrage.

The University of Greenwich managed to damage the Dining Hall of the Old Naval College - thanks you little pr!cks for holding a disco with a snow machine in a heritage building!

New builds are universally shite. Talk about maintenance! Cheap and nasty most of them will need to come down in 30 years. I work in a new build at the moment, not enough space for the staff, constantly being repaired, horrible place to work.

What are developers going to do with a Gothic mansion on site? How many "luxury " motels can we use?

Aldershot should be interesting, the befuddled minds of the local planners are hoping for "an artistic precinct " around Hospital hill - more like heroin central where the locals will have to hard target around the old 4Div building!

It hacks me off that our heritage is up for sale, that buildings we probably need are being lost.

So what about Westminster then. Houses of Parliament, dreadful old building that needs billions spent on it. Not secure, not fit for purpose. How about selling it off, new build in the Midlands with accommodation for our Lords and Masters so they don't have to buy second homes and turn the old place into a Spearmint Rhino and Casino, full of East European tarts, lonely Chinese "businessmen" and Middle Eastern sex pests!

Sell off all the old furniture and paintings of old duffers, not needed in a modern work place surely.

Aspire and Sodhexo to provide catering and support - what could be better.

All the civil servants could move north, get themselves a nice little Barrett home and we could do away with London loading - you know it makes sense.

How about it ?
I think you need a hug. ;) :)
 

seaweed

LE
Book Reviewer
RIP
As mentioned already Nelson Wardroom is, fortunately, Grade II Listed and there are other problems facing anyone trying to 'develop' it.

Quite apart from the distinguished Edwardian exterior, there are, for instance, the Wylie murals in the main mess (another set in Dolphin Wardroom).

Interesting to know he current occupancy rate during the week.

I have a feeling we have been round this buoy before.
 

Daxx

MIA
Book Reviewer
HMS Nelson Wardroom. Makes perfect sense, what with the abundance of Officer accommodation in the Portsmouth area.
The rooms in HMS Dolphin were nice about 20 years ago. Then it became some Nurses thing and when I next stayed there as Pompey was full, it looked like the last time anything had been maintained was 20 years ago...
 

bluenosewrx

Old-Salt
There is a rumour here that the RFU is intrested in the kneller hall main buliding, not sure as its falling down around us and needs major repair work.

then you have the quarters which will be worth a few quid and the grounds, funnily enough Richmond councl has just served a tree felling banning order on this camp which prohibits and trees getting cut down.

the guardroom is listed as well because of the clock tower.
 
Just in case any relevant ministers or senior Civil Servants read the drivel we all post on here.

Instead of closing Mildenhall , which has a very long , modern runway with state of the art aviation facilities already in place , why not :

Close Norwich and Cambridge airports and merge them into the Mildenhall site ?
It would then serve as a regional airport for E Anglia , plus take a load of parcels and cargo ( plus some passenger ) traffic off Gatwick , Stansted and Heathrow , freeing up slots for more passenger aircraft thus avoiding costly and time consuming enquiries about third runways ?
It could become a maintenance hub for Ryanair or other airlines and create lots of high paid jobs which the area needs , as closure of the base means a £700M PA loss to the local economy .
Housing and employment sites are desperately needed in Cambridge and Norwich , not in the middle of the Suffolk countryside .
 
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Just in case any relevant ministers or senior Civil Servants read the drivel we all post on here.

Instead of closing Mildenhall , which has a very long , modern runway with state of the aviation facilities already in place , why not :

Close Norwich and Cambridge airports and merge them into the Mildenhall site ?
It would then serve as a regional airport for E Anglia , plus take a load of parcels and cargo ( plus some passenger ) traffic off Gatwick , Stansted and Heathrow , freeing up slots for more passenger aircraft thus avoiding costly and time consuming enquiries about third runways ?
You could create a maintenance hub for Ryanair or other airlines and create lots of high paid jobs which the area needs , as closure of the base means a £700M PA loss to the local economy .
Housing and employment sites are desperately needed in Cambridge and Norwich , not in the middle of the Suffolk countryside .
Stop being sensible.
They'll never do anything as useful as this.
 
Rationalisation of the Defence Estate is a laudable thing, in so much as reduction of overheads/costs should be of benefit to the defence vote. The danger comes when optimistic assumptions are made ref thread levels, resilience and reactivity. Another thread discussed in detail the perceived (in)ability to react to a massive incident. I fear that this latest initiative will further erode our abilty to manage these events.

On the plus side - if we're reducing the estate, might we not similarly reduce the size of DIO: O2 thieves that they are.
 
As title, we were told at 14:55 that our site would close (Kneller Hall) and move elswhere, yet to be disclosed, probably Minley or Chatham i would guess.

I cant find anything on the news websites, would like to know the other 11, no move before 2018 was said

anyone hear anything else???
I thought Minley was gone,or at least going?
 
There is a rumour here that the RFU is intrested in the kneller hall main buliding, not sure as its falling down around us and needs major repair work.

then you have the quarters which will be worth a few quid and the grounds, funnily enough Richmond councl has just served a tree felling banning order on this camp which prohibits and trees getting cut down.

the guardroom is listed as well because of the clock tower.
Unsure if it would make economic sense for the RFU to purchase Kneller Hall main building unless the board see the strategic risk v reward benefits.

Unless the RFU board approach investors as a consortium?


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Bear in mind that sites like Mildenhall will need to be cleared and decontaminated at the buyer's expense. I took part in the selling off of a site and though the headline figure seemed very low, it was clearly demonstrated that the price paid was the MARKET value for that type of land. Ask too much and no one will buy it.
Decontamination will cost a fortune.

I live in a new build estate near Brooklands airfield (as was - now captured by the Boxheads).

The land here was used as a crash site for aircraft to avoid screwing up the runway at Brooklands, it was also a pylon mounted AA site as Brooklands was a gunnery defended area. Duff aircraft were also lined up and used as decoys in the hope that the Germans would dump their bombs here and scarper rather then dump them on Brooklands (that failed).

The site had underground fuel tanks which had leaked huge amounts of fuel into the soil.

The developers had to fork out for a planing/grading machine to volatilise the fuel residue in the soil. That cost £40,000/week. For several months.

Even after building the houses (with expensive impermeable membranes over the DPC) the council told them to replace all the topsoil down to 4'. That required several hundred truckloads of new topsoil plus all the excavators and removal of contaminated soil.

Not surprisingly the developers went bust.

Which was nice as I got a good deal on my house given their desperation for money.
 
Just in case any relevant ministers or senior Civil Servants read the drivel we all post on here.

Instead of closing Mildenhall , which has a very long , modern runway with state of the art aviation facilities already in place , why not :

Close Norwich and Cambridge airports and merge them into the Mildenhall site ?
It would then serve as a regional airport for E Anglia , plus take a load of parcels and cargo ( plus some passenger ) traffic off Gatwick , Stansted and Heathrow , freeing up slots for more passenger aircraft thus avoiding costly and time consuming enquiries about third runways ?
It could become a maintenance hub for Ryanair or other airlines and create lots of high paid jobs which the area needs , as closure of the base means a £700M PA loss to the local economy .
Housing and employment sites are desperately needed in Cambridge and Norwich , not in the middle of the Suffolk countryside .
or you could re open manston,scrap hs2 and spend it on fast rail to london,when mod manston goes in 2018 they can have that shit hole as well.
 
Decontamination will cost a fortune.

I live in a new build estate near Brooklands airfield (as was - now captured by the Boxheads).

The land here was used as a crash site for aircraft to avoid screwing up the runway at Brooklands, it was also a pylon mounted AA site as Brooklands was a gunnery defended area. Duff aircraft were also lined up and used as decoys in the hope that the Germans would dump their bombs here and scarper rather then dump them on Brooklands (that failed).

The site had underground fuel tanks which had leaked huge amounts of fuel into the soil.

The developers had to fork out for a planing/grading machine to volatilise the fuel residue in the soil. That cost £40,000/week. For several months.

Even after building the houses (with expensive impermeable membranes over the DPC) the council told them to replace all the topsoil down to 4'. That required several hundred truckloads of new topsoil plus all the excavators and removal of contaminated soil.

Not surprisingly the developers went bust.

Which was nice as I got a good deal on my house given their desperation for money.
Similar to a story I experienced way back.

New housing development on Army land that had been a US Camp during WW2. After a while the walls on these houses strted to crack. The local authority contacted the Army to find out of there was an obvious reason like underground water courses. No one knew so back to the LA with a shrug of the shoulders.

A short while later, one of the SO2's suggested we "ask Albert". He was an old duffer that hung around the HQ doing Employer Liasion and draining the Officer's Mess whiskey supply every lunchtime. Harmless old boy given free reign and an office to do "stuff" because he had been on the staff of famous Division in WW2 and no one, not even the Commander, had the nerve to kick him out.

When asked, he grinned, braced up a little, twitched his moustache and said something like " They built houses on an Artillery range ....... bloody fools!".

Turns out when the land was surveyed for sale and the background usage investigated, all that turned up was barracks use and small arms ranges. If there ever was documentation that high calibre arty natures were fired, it was long gone or in a storage box deep in the US Army archives. No records, only the memory of a man in his 70's.

The theory was that the stuff was quite deep and if any had gone off during initial foundation laying, it may not have been noticed, but as the development was (IIRC) ten years old at the time, that ground disturbances and tree roots had set one or two off. I'm not even sure if this is technically feasible, be great to see what some of the EOD boys on here think.

Can't recall what the outcome was.
 

Judgekid

War Hero
The MOD, bless them, gifted Ebrington and Ballykelly. Ballykelly was to be turned over to the Dept of Ag and the civil servants all shifted out of Belfast.
Everyone else just sat and wondered just how stuffed full of asbestos both barracks were. There was a lot of work to be done on Ebrington to get it up to standard and even yet no one seems keen on relocating to Ballykelly. It looks like it's going to be a very expensive gift.
Isn't DARD relocation to Ballykelly and PP has just been given for the full redevlopment of Ebrington
 
Minley Manor - training nights wandering around lost in rhododendron thickets. Ah, what fun.
and yet in all the foreign places I visited after Gib, I never once had to clamber through rhododendrons despite all the intensive training on those cold, dark, frosty nights. I feel slightly disappointed.
 

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