11 SQN RCT 4ADTR

#3
Tiiffy Patterson is the only bloke I know from there.
I got there in jan 1992 and stright into the op banner training, and was posted in Jan 1993, but 4ADTR was great never had such a good posting after that.
 
#4
Was 19 Sqn 87-91, top place and many happy memories.
 
#6
Hi Lads

I served with 11 Sqn RCT from 76 - 79, firstly at Duisburg with 6 and 21 Sqn, as 4 Div Regt RCT, then with a resuffle of manpower, 19 and 35 Sqn was created. We at 11 and 19 Sqn moved to Minden in December 1977, leaving 35 Sqn at Duisburg where 3 Armd Div Tpt Regt RCT was created along with 6 and 21 Sqns. At Minden we at 11 and 19 Sqn joined 54 Fld Amb Sqn to form 4 Armd Div Tpt Regt RCT.
St. Georges Barracks was a great place to be in the 70's, but understand that its an industrial estate now. Looks alot different viewing it from Google Earth, trying to picture RHQ, 11 Sqn Offices and the MT Park. The NAFFI, Cookhouse and Gym have been demolised.
Sgt. Major Tom O'Readon was great to serve with and often remenise the good old days and whether he progressed through the ranks.
I say good old days because based upon the latest information, the Army has gone down hill since I served. A shocking state of affairs some barracks are in these days. But having said that where has the discipline gone, and barrack room inspections.
Can't say I'd like todays Army at all, but my happiest memories was at Minden. I only served the 3 years and it was the worst day of my life when I left the army. Civvy street has been nothing but a struggle.
I am now 53 and having fractured my spine in 2001 have been unemployed since. Still signed off sick never to drive trucks again. Thank god for the internet. if there are any old boys out there, drop me a line. Cheers
 
#7
I too got posted there in 92 and went straight onto the Banner tour. Of course, I wasn't there that long but it still makes the head swim when I think of how things worked there compared to now.

Long live the gauntlet!!
 
#8
I was in 11 Sqn Fitter Section 90 to 91, then got reshuffled to 19 sqn ftrs after the Gulf, and then shut down the camp in July 93. Best posting I ever had!!!
 
#9
steve041053 said:
Hi the Army has gone down hill since I served. A shocking state of affairs some barracks are in these days. But having said that where has the discipline gone, and barrack room inspections.
sorry to hear about yourt post-army demise....but i feel that i need to correct you....in the 16ish yrs that i've served (and i am still serving) the army has gone from strength to strength...

..the army is now more professional, agile, manouevrist and operationally experienced than it has ever been since WW2....

please don't confuse (ministerial) defence cut-backs and underinvestment with the commitment and professionalism of those serving and fighting on 2 fronts....

Goon
 
#10
What the fuck happened to you? If your wife is pregnant is she allowed to scream during childbirth, or will that damage the baby? Do you go door to door with this rhetoric now? Do people have to get divorced so the head of whatever wire diagram you belong to now can remarry the women above the age of 13?

More importantly though, who the fuck is minding the cool aid whilst you are on arrse?
 
#12
Oops, should have realised this was a Trog thread. I was insinuating that my friend Goon_Bde, who was at one time the chief rabble rouser, all round AT annoyer and generally chopsy twat, had joined a cult.

We all grow up I suppose; either that or enough senior people find out what your handle is :D
 
#13
goon_bde said:
steve041053 said:
Hi the Army has gone down hill since I served. A shocking state of affairs some barracks are in these days. But having said that where has the discipline gone, and barrack room inspections.
sorry to hear about yourt post-army demise....but i feel that i need to correct you....in the 16ish yrs that i've served (and i am still serving) the army has gone from strength to strength...

..the army is now more professional, agile, manouevrist and operationally experienced than it has ever been since WW2....

please don't confuse (ministerial) defence cut-backs and underinvestment with the commitment and professionalism of those serving and fighting on 2 fronts....

Goon


So Korea,Malaya,and Aden don't count? Half the tactics used today were developed in these "non-events".

WTF,where did manouevrist come from :? sounds like it should have stayed the other side of the "Pond"to me.
 
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RoofRat said:
So Korea,Malaya,and Aden don't count? Half the tactics used today were developed in these "non-events".

WTF,where did manouevrist come from :? sounds like it should have stayed the other side of the "Pond"to me.
1. i didn't dismiss the other campaigns and certainly didn't describe them as non-events, you did, read my wording carefully. More of the army is deployed now as a % than ever before, the operational frequency is greater and the assymetric threat is ever present.

2. If you don't know what manoevrist means, you perhaps shouldn't be commenting...it has a very specific meaning and is not newspeak or fangle terminology...

and Ford, i haven't lost the plot, just defending the honour of today's tom, who is more professional than the bloated BAOR warriors who thought active edge was an act of war.
 
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#15
Goon -

manoevrist!!

Surely you must be able to spell it to be able to use it?
 
#17
Anyway - back to the thread. I too was in 11 Sqn. Didn't serve long though. Came over from 54 for the October 1982 NI tour and stayed on for a bit until I was posted to 15 Sqn in sunny Catterick, round about December 1983. Enjoyed the posting - don't have a problem with today's Army, which I fully support, but do not envy one little bit!
 
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goon_bde said:
RoofRat said:
So Korea,Malaya,and Aden don't count? Half the tactics used today were developed in these "non-events".

WTF,where did manouevrist come from :? sounds like it should have stayed the other side of the "Pond"to me.
1. i didn't dismiss the other campaigns and certainly didn't describe them as non-events, you did, read my wording carefully. More of the army is deployed now as a % than ever before, the operational frequency is greater and the assymetric threat is ever present.

2. If you don't know what manoevrist means, you perhaps shouldn't be commenting...it has a very specific meaning and is not newspeak or fangle terminology...

and Ford, i haven't lost the plot, just defending the honour of today's tom, who is more professional than the bloated BAOR warriors who thought active edge was an act of war.

The reason that a greater percentage is deployed now than ever before is that the Army has gotten smaller,or hadn't you noticed?

Don't really like to p**s people off,but the word in question that can be spelt with and without a U,first came to prominence when it was used in a missive from Gen Robert E Lee,to Jefferson Davies,the meaning is still the same,it's just that I can't stand all these nice little words from across the Pond being used instead of plain english.

Remember also a lot of your so called "bloated BAOR warriors" got deployed down South,before you got your first bollocking from your Trg NCO,and given your 16ish years of service you either joined just before,or just after the wall came down,so how can you make comments about something you know F**k all about,and Nobody needs to defend British Toms,they have managed to do that for quite a long time by themselves.
 
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RoofRat said:
The reason that a greater percentage is deployed now than ever before is that the Army has gotten smaller,or hadn't you noticed?
That's my point exactly, when the army was 150000+ strong and stagging on in Germany the % of people with high intensity op experience was much lower

RoofRat said:
Don't really like to p**s people off,but the word in question that can be spelt with and without a U,first came to prominence when it was used in a missive from Gen Robert E Lee,to Jefferson Davies,the meaning is still the same,it's just that I can't stand all these nice little words from across the Pond being used instead of plain english.
I think he also wrote the 7 questions didn't he? like it or not, DCDC take much of their lead from across the pond?

RoofRat said:
Remember also a lot of your so called "bloated BAOR warriors" got deployed down South,
Well unless they moved aldershot (5X) and plymouth (fleet/3X) to BAOR then i doubt it, whilst there were a few elms from BAOR the majority were high readiness tps from the UK????

RoofRat said:
before you got your first bollocking from your Trg NCO
who was indeed a bloated clown that had served for 18 yrs without a medal to his name

RoofRat said:
and given your 16ish years of service you either joined just before,or just after the wall came down
Just before actually, thanks, i think you kind of missed the point to my post...

RoofRat said:
and Nobody needs to defend British Toms,they have managed to do that for quite a long time by themselves.
i'll leave that open to discussion....there's currently, and rightly so, about 30 other threads about how the tps feel undervalued, over-stretch, broken covenant etc
 
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goon_bde said:
RoofRat said:
The reason that a greater percentage is deployed now than ever before is that the Army has gotten smaller,or hadn't you noticed?
That's my point exactly, when the army was 150000+ strong and stagging on in Germany the % of people with high intensity op experience was much lower

RoofRat said:
Don't really like to p**s people off,but the word in question that can be spelt with and without a U,first came to prominence when it was used in a missive from Gen Robert E Lee,to Jefferson Davies,the meaning is still the same,it's just that I can't stand all these nice little words from across the Pond being used instead of plain english.
I think he also wrote the 7 questions didn't he? like it or not, DCDC take much of their lead from across the pond?

RoofRat said:
Remember also a lot of your so called "bloated BAOR warriors" got deployed down South,
Well unless they moved aldershot (5X) and plymouth (fleet/3X) to BAOR then i doubt it, whilst there were a few elms from BAOR the majority were high readiness tps from the UK????

RoofRat said:
before you got your first bollocking from your Trg NCO
who was indeed a bloated clown that had served for 18 yrs without a medal to his name

RoofRat said:
and given your 16ish years of service you either joined just before,or just after the wall came down
Just before actually, thanks, i think you kind of missed the point to my post...

RoofRat said:
and Nobody needs to defend British Toms,they have managed to do that for quite a long time by themselves.
i'll leave that open to discussion....there's currently, and rightly so, about 30 other threads
Love it when people like you post,you must read a lot of books?

This was/is a "truckie" thread,and I was talking primarily from that point of view,and I can assure you that quite a few specialists went South.

I didn't miss the point of your post,you made some sweeping statements that don't scan,and I replied that unless you were there,you are talking a load of AARSE.

Just because your fat friend didn't have any medals doesn't mean he was a waste of space,in the 60's I spent over 4 months in and around Aden,no GSM,why not,I was serving aboard a Royal Navy ship,a contemporary of mine(a mover),spent a month there and proudly displays this his only medal every 11/11,so don't judge people using the wrong standards,sunshine,there were a lot of jobs back then that didn't warrant a bit of tin,but your arse was still on the line! A case in point.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2821106.ece

As for your last bit about how the tps feel undervalued, over-stretch, broken covenant etc,get real,its been like that since the "Homes fit for Heroes" scam back in 1918. It's not new,and it's a scandal,but as they say,shite happens,get over it,Stag on.
 
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