10 RRS to be discharged for drugs

#2
We were told on my selection couse that the CDT fellas roll up, tell the guard commander to seal the base so that no one goes in or out, and then asks the CO to parade everyone for drugs testing in the gym or parade square.
 
#3
CDT used to be the whole unit, CO down, but thanks to cost cuts it is now down to who ever is around camp or is it?

Its not really random,those who are suspected of doing drugs are usually the ones sent. Also it can be called in when ever the CO wants, ie one on a friday, then again the week later, thats when most are caught, when they think they have got away with it!!
 
#4
It can be random or whole unit, depends on which way the wind blows, and it is everybody within the barracks at the time even visitors, eg pilots or courses. ps you should know that if you were in the Armed Forces
 
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#5
It might be random.....it might even be random with a few names dropped in.....then again it might not.

Drugs....they ain't big and they ain't clever. Come to think of it, neither are Jocks.
 
#6
Discovery001 said:
It can be random or whole unit, depends on which way the wind blows, and it is everybody within the barracks at the time even visitors, eg pilots or courses. ps you should know that if you were in the Armed Forces
Hmmm. I think the term "get stuffed" is the one that comes to mind you throbber! I've been in 23 years now! It's just that I've never known a whole unit tested before. Admittedly I'm RAF and CDT came to us later than you, and I understand that on the whole we have a much lower detection rate than the Army on a pro rata scale, so perhaps the powers that be have never thought the need to test a whole RAF station yet.

As to it being random? Well, we all know that it's not really. They have their target personnel. I personally have been involved with an interview with DVA who were interested in one of my staff who had once been interviewed by the RAF for drugs. They told me that they would ensure that he was tested the next time the CDT guys came to the unit, just to make sure he really wasn't involved.

Out of interest, have they told you the same in the Army as they have the RAF? In that, the majority of personnel caught by CDT are the under 30's (I think that was the age batted about) and that from now on they would be concentrating very much on that age group and that those personnel over that age were much less likely to be called forward for testing....although of course the threat is still there.
 
#7
Now be honest who wants some junkie next to you when the sh*t hits the fan and the bullets start flying.They are a liability and the testing should be compulsory and random and regular.
There's no such thing as a reformed drug addict same as there isn't a reformed alcoholic,my view is that if you are doing drugs then pack yer kit and feck off.
There,said it and feel better.
 
#8
Biscuits_AB said:
It might be random.....it might even be random with a few names dropped in.....then again it might not.

Drugs....they ain't big and they ain't clever. Come to think of it, neither are Jocks.



Hmmmmmn while your average jock/tom/ranger/taff might not be the smartest soldier in the head area, there is a lot of smart jocks out there.

CDT is a pain, but it is done to ensure that those who like drugs are found out and dealt with by their CO.
Some good soldiers have had a reprieve by their CO and soldiered on.
 
#9
Was in the Falklands and CDT rolled up. But at the time was in the RAF Supply Sqn and as it was RAF rules we were asked to go down at have the test! At the time, an RAF unit getting tested had a percentage they had to submit, so it tended to be the SNCO's and Officers!
 
#10
We were In Gib on excercise with the TA, the whole camp was sealed and the whole unit was tested, leading to 4 guys getting binned. You report, are given two sample bottles escorted to the toilet piss in each bottle, and both samples are sealed and you sign each hand them over and thats it.
 
#11
i'v ehad 2 tests in 6 yr 8 mnths!! obviously live on a very good camp or it might be the fact that our Corps can't afford to lose anyone even the scrots!!
 
#12
((((Hmmm. I think the term "get stuffed" is the one that comes to mind you throbber! I've been in 23 years now! It's just that I've never known a whole unit tested before. Admittedly I'm RAF and CDT came to us later than you, and I understand that on the whole we have a much lower detection rate than the Army on a pro rata scale, so perhaps the powers that be have never thought the need to test a whole RAF station yet))))

Was in 22 years and twice the whole barracks was done and in Bosnia the whole of BLMF was done even you stinking RAF ( I know that was a cheap shot but you started it). They even get you when you pass though AMC if they want, as per the SOP's for CDT it is up to the Cmd of the team to say what he wants to do. I agree with that, some names are made to do it.
 
#13
They apparently sealed the camp and tested all those on the base.
Certainly in my time they have always closed the camp and tested all those inside the wire.

Fcuk them all drug taking scum - no respect for their mates who they are endangering on potential ops. Made all the more relevant as 3SCOTS are on SLE.
 
#14
SidneyRuffDiamond said:
We were In Gib on excercise with the TA, the whole camp was sealed and the whole unit was tested, leading to 4 guys getting binned. You report, are given two sample bottles escorted to the toilet urine in each bottle, and both samples are sealed and you sign each hand them over and thats it.
In ten years I've never done it like that. Fill one beaker in the bogs, go back to desk and fill two test tubes and one pot with the 'product' which are then sealed and all placed in the sealed bag.
 
#15
I've been on base twice (RAF) when CDT visited.

There was a list. You had your hand stamped (I think) when you were tested, or if your name was not on the list. In both cases, my name was not on it!
 
#16
jimmys_best_mate said:
SidneyRuffDiamond said:
We were In Gib on excercise with the TA, the whole camp was sealed and the whole unit was tested, leading to 4 guys getting binned. You report, are given two sample bottles escorted to the toilet urine in each bottle, and both samples are sealed and you sign each hand them over and thats it.
In ten years I've never done it like that. Fill one beaker in the bogs, go back to desk and fill two test tubes and one pot with the 'product' which are then sealed and all placed in the sealed bag.
Does viagra cause the urine test to be positive?

If not, could there be a market for 'Mariner's Quality Pi$$'? Sold by the beakerfull, nervous squaddies could keep some about their person at all times for ready use in the event of a visit from the CDT team.

Reckon I could produce about a bucketfull a week, or more if business takes off and I get back on the booze.
 
#17
Infiltrator - the RAF 'do' CDT slightly differently. On my last jaunt up to AIR they were in full swing. I was running late racing between meetings and just said "I'm really busy and need to brief [Name of important person] so can I not do this?" expecting the standard Army response of "No!".

RAF WO just said "Crack on Sir, we're slightly over in terms of numbers anyway" so everyone was happy.

Ahh! Vive la difference! :D
 
#18
Infiltrator said:
Discovery001 said:
It can be random or whole unit, depends on which way the wind blows, and it is everybody within the barracks at the time even visitors, eg pilots or courses. ps you should know that if you were in the Armed Forces
Hmmm. I think the term "get stuffed" is the one that comes to mind you throbber! I've been in 23 years now! It's just that I've never known a whole unit tested before. Admittedly I'm RAF and CDT came to us later than you, and I understand that on the whole we have a much lower detection rate than the Army on a pro rata scale, so perhaps the powers that be have never thought the need to test a whole RAF station yet.

As to it being random? Well, we all know that it's not really. They have their target personnel. I personally have been involved with an interview with DVA who were interested in one of my staff who had once been interviewed by the RAF for drugs. They told me that they would ensure that he was tested the next time the CDT guys came to the unit, just to make sure he really wasn't involved.

Out of interest, have they told you the same in the Army as they have the RAF? In that, the majority of personnel caught by CDT are the under 30's (I think that was the age batted about) and that from now on they would be concentrating very much on that age group and that those personnel over that age were much less likely to be called forward for testing....although of course the threat is still there.
So you are in the RAF and posting on an Army site, which probably explains bone statements like that. In nearly 20 years in the Army I have been CDTd about a dozen times (perhaps someone is trying to tell me something) and units get tested all at once. You will find that the arrival of the CDT team is based on discussions between the CO and Bde staff as to when would be suitable. After that it is pretty much up to the CO and CDT team as to who gets tested. With larger HQs (such as CDT in the MOD) they will have a % target and people will be asked to tip up for testing until they have reached the target. Given the info in your post you are not very clued up on CDT in the Army, so probably best if you don't post until you have a slightly better grasp of the subject - alternatively post on the RAF site to your hearts content.
WHF
 
#19
Proximo said:
Infiltrator - the RAF 'do' CDT slightly differently. On my last jaunt up to AIR they were in full swing. I was running late racing between meetings and just said "I'm really busy and need to brief [Name of important person] so can I not do this?" expecting the standard Army response of "No!".

RAF WO just said "Crack on Sir, we're slightly over in terms of numbers anyway" so everyone was happy.

Ahh! Vive la difference! :D
Proximo,

Thanks for that....I thought that there must be something different about it.
 
#20
wehappyfew said:
Infiltrator said:
Discovery001 said:
It can be random or whole unit, depends on which way the wind blows, and it is everybody within the barracks at the time even visitors, eg pilots or courses. ps you should know that if you were in the Armed Forces
Hmmm. I think the term "get stuffed" is the one that comes to mind you throbber! I've been in 23 years now! It's just that I've never known a whole unit tested before. Admittedly I'm RAF and CDT came to us later than you, and I understand that on the whole we have a much lower detection rate than the Army on a pro rata scale, so perhaps the powers that be have never thought the need to test a whole RAF station yet.

As to it being random? Well, we all know that it's not really. They have their target personnel. I personally have been involved with an interview with DVA who were interested in one of my staff who had once been interviewed by the RAF for drugs. They told me that they would ensure that he was tested the next time the CDT guys came to the unit, just to make sure he really wasn't involved.

Out of interest, have they told you the same in the Army as they have the RAF? In that, the majority of personnel caught by CDT are the under 30's (I think that was the age batted about) and that from now on they would be concentrating very much on that age group and that those personnel over that age were much less likely to be called forward for testing....although of course the threat is still there.
So you are in the RAF and posting on an Army site, which probably explains bone statements like that. In nearly 20 years in the Army I have been CDTd about a dozen times (perhaps someone is trying to tell me something) and units get tested all at once. You will find that the arrival of the CDT team is based on discussions between the CO and Bde staff as to when would be suitable. After that it is pretty much up to the CO and CDT team as to who gets tested. With larger HQs (such as CDT in the MOD) they will have a % target and people will be asked to tip up for testing until they have reached the target. Given the info in your post you are not very clued up on CDT in the Army, so probably best if you don't post until you have a slightly better grasp of the subject - alternatively post on the RAF site to your hearts content.
WHF
WHF,

First things first, I wasn't aware that it was exclusively an Army site....however if that is the way that things are then of course I will leave and not post any more, however I think that I would prefer it if it were a Mod that asked me to do it and not some halfwitted gimp such as you!

Secondly, why is it a bone statement to say that I have never seen a whole unit tested like that? I haven't! How is that bone? Is it my fault that quite obviously your CoC feel that you are all at such risk of drug taking that you all must be tested? I think that Proximo's post above would suggest that we are much more grown up about the way that things are done in my mob. Indeed, a number of posters have suggested that things are a little different with my service. Perhaps you keep getting tested for a reason....getting a little paranoid?

I would have no problems if the CDT team turned up at my unit and tested everyone, but they don't. Obviously they have certain personnel that they want to target in particular, but other than that it is a fairly random selection. Once they have hit the number they want then they bugger off and get the samples tested. I really had no idea when I read it on the BBC site that they would turn up and test an entire base....that's why I asked. In my experience there are no bone questions.....only bone answers. Now if you have nothing useful to bring to the thread why don't you urine off and play in front of the big green things with tracks, there's a good fellow!

Ah yes, now I remember why I like this site so much. So many intelligent contributors to the forums. Good, stimulating debate. A chance to exchange information. An opportunity to see how the other service works and thinks. Lots of good natured stick from the other side. Oh, and the occasional knobber like WHF to lighten my day and remind me why I joined the RAF!
 

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